Tuesday, January 29, 2013

    Last night, I was PMed by an anon on a decidedly non-anon network, congratulating me on the nice leak that had gone up roughly 4 hours earlier. Not knowing what he was talking about, I asked and was pointed to a new file on doxbin named USSC-USMS_WITSEC_backup_Witness_Protection.txt. He mentioned that if one Ctrl+Fed for "Monsegur" it would lead to this little gem:
     
    INSERT INTO contact_SENTRY_WITSEC_clean (id, number, gender, givenname, middleinitial, surname, streetaddress, city, state, zipcode, country, USMS_email, password, NPA-NXX-CPE, birth_surname, birthday, GOV_CCType, GOV_CCNumber, CVV2, CCExpires, WITSEC_SSN, UPS_prepaid_USMS_pack, WITSEC_occupation) values (157, 160, 'male', 'Hector', 'S', 'Basulto', '14281 SW 23rd Ln', 'Miami', 'FL', '33175', 'US', 'Hector.S.Basulto@maxhardcore.com', 'ooraeK6ohf7', '315-221-7227', 'Monsegur', '1983-06-07 00:00:00', 'Visa', '4556268016798707', '728', '2014-05-01 00:00:00', '266-72-9313', '1Z 020 886 53 3535 464 6', 'Lathe operator');
     
    The first thing that stuck out was the @maxhardcore.com e-mail address. If that means nothing to you, I suggest that you read his Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore) and count yourself lucky that you're too young to remember him. As it turns out, all 1,000 entries had @maxhardcore.com e-mail addresses (I still want one, by the way). Strange. Why would 1,000 people in WITSEC have that for an e-mail address? Why wouldn't they just use GMail accounts?
     
    Next up was the "UPS_prepaid_USMS_pack" Very strange. Those strings of numbers didn't resemble any patterns that looked familiar at the time, but it still stuck out. Regardless, the sole purpose of the @doxbin twitter account has always been to tweet out the more interesting dox and in general abuse white/blackhats alike, and I've built a reputation for doing so and walking away unscathed. With all that in mind, I made this tweet:
     
    "http://doxbinphonls5hsk.onion/doxviewer.php?dox=USSC-USMS_WITSEC_backup_Witness_Protection Ctrl+F for "Monsegur" Hmm, wonder if it's real..."
     
    Source: https://twitter.com/doxbin/status/295395251701547008
     
    Rather quickly, @AnonymousIRC picked it up, and so did some other accounts. In all the chaos and butthurt that ensued (The usual litany of empty threats, begging, people laughing, and even one guy who came out of the woodwork just to tell me "nigga u crazy"), a couple of tweets rose from the muck:
     
    "@AnonymousIRC @doxbin its a setup the list is over a year old with sabu added in"
     
    Source: https://twitter.com/Bitchiest/status/295414310828646400
     
    "@doxbin I would like to report that USSC leak as fake -> https://github.com/gradleware/oreilly-gradle-book-examples/blob/master/plugins/database-setup/create-schema.sql … All Entries are from an example DB + some editing"
     
    Source: https://twitter.com/Sanguinarious/status/295419455436115968
     
    And now, the format of the "UPS_prepaid_USMS_pack" numbers made sense. As it turns out, those are UPS tracking numbers. Fake Name Generator spits these out, and whoever made this fake db 2 years ago probably just clobbered Fake Name Generator until they got 1,000 fake sets of information.
     
    Now, compare
     
    http://doxbinumfxfyytnh.onion/fail/USSC-USMS_WITSEC_backup_Witness_Protection.txt
     
    to
     
    https://github.com/gradleware/oreilly-gradle-book-examples/blob/master/plugins/database-setup/create-schema.sql
     
    What's funny is that googling pretty much anything from that .txt will pull up the github link as the first result. Crowdsourcing is a bitch.
     
    And that, boys and girls, is how fake leaks are dissected.
     
     
    P.S. There was one additional tweet by @xDictate that came before these (But has since been deleted), pointing out that the address in the above-mentioned db entry went to a Jose Basulto on whitepages. You may wish to put on your tinfoil hats before visiting the next two links:
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Basulto
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothers_to_the_rescue
     
     
    - @doxbin

DHS-FBI-ITACG Movie Theater Attack Warning May 17, 2012

DHS-FBI-ITACG Theater Attack Warning May 17, 2012: http://youtu.be/UyXlaLoHoJ0 via @youtube
DHS-FBI-ITACG Movie Theater Attack Warning May 17, 2012

(ICSD911)   Obama and friends warn law enforcement nationwide of a theater attack two months before it happened. Barry even told us it would be a deranged lone wolf shooter, while running practice drills nationwide for it. Obama left his fingerprints all over the crime. It appears the FBI attempted to remove from the Internet a warning from 2 months ago that US theaters would be attacked. FBI document showing a terrorist warning issued on May 17, 2012 to watch out for possible attacks at American theaters disappears from the internet after a gunman opened fire early on Friday at a suburban Denver movie theater, leaving 12 people dead and scores others injured. A new video posted on the YouTube claims that a PDF document warning FBI on passable attacks on US theaters has been removed from the internet minutes after it was put on Facebook.
DOWNLOAD THE PDF WHILE YOU CAN: http://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-FBI-TheaterAttacks.pdf
CHECK OUT THE ITACG WEBSITE: http://www.nctc.gov/itacg/itacg_index.html

SWAT officer says Posse Comitatus makes U.S. vulnerable to terror


SWAT officer says Posse Comitatus makes U.S. vulnerable to terror

January 14, 2010 by  
Filed under Establishing The Police State
(Lt. Andrew Esposito)   The threat of an international terrorist attack against our country is not to be taken lightly by law enforcement professionals. In fact, I see it being taken very seriously in the New York Metropolitan area; agencies are meeting, communicating and taking proactive steps to counter potential terrorist efforts.
NYTOA LogoAs professional police officers we are all aware of the threat. The training is out there to provide information and resources on how to deal with terrorism, whether it is domestic or foreign. In this article I would like to address one area that I feel we in law enforcement need to take action on immediately. The immediate employment of police officers to a terrorist attack as first responders is inevitable; I believe that the one thing that is not being addressed is what is going to happen to those first responding officers. We train our police officers in rapid deployment tactics which will serve them well against a violent act by a lone gunman, or even the likes of Harris and Klebold (Columbine shooters). But let’s face it, police officers employing rapid deployment tactics against a hardened target defended by a determined enemy with automatic weapons, interlocking fields of fire and hand grenades will not fare well. There is a high likelihood that the assault will be turned away, and at a bloody cost.
We often speak about the recent terrorist tactic of a mass hostage siege. This is when a group of terrorists take and hold some type of structure, stabilize the target area and hold a prolonged hostage event. Examples of this tactic are:
• Beslan – 2004 a Platoon size terror element seized and held a school in the small town of Beslan, North Osetia (Russia). During a three-day mass hostage siege, 700 people were wounded and 338 killed, including 172 youngsters. .
• Mumbai – 2008, a squad-size terror element conducts an amphibious raid on the city of Mumbai, India. Subjects utilized shoot and move tactics throughout several locations in the city to disorient the Indian response. The attackers worked their way into separate locations, took hostages and made their last stand.
• Lahore – 3 March 2009, Pakistan, a squad sized terror element conducts an ambush on the Sri Lankan cricket team.
• Lahore – 30 March 2009 Pakistan platoon sized terror element conducts an assault on Pakistani Police academy.
The above incidents were conducted as raids a military tactic in which speed, surprise and violence of action are used by a smaller force to harass, shock, and keep a larger force off balance. The goal of these types of terrorist attacks is to establish a foothold (assault), stabilize (delay for the purpose of barricading), and then hold out as long as possible (mass hostage siege) for media exposure. Usually, they end with a self initiated finale (body count) on their terms. The response in some of the aforementioned examples where as follows;
Beslan, final assault conducted by Russian special forces.
Mumbai, final assault conducted by Indian special forces.
The countries in which these attacks occurred, permit (and expect) their military to operate within their borders. We, on the other hand, follow the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 (meaning “the power of the county”), which was passed following the civil war after the federal government used troops to uphold the law, or “occupy”, the south in an effort to stabilize the country. Due to this statue, which was passed over one hundred years ago, our country is now more vulnerable.
An attack by international terrorists on our soil is an act of war. Our military is prepared to act on such an attack, but unfortunately due to Posse Comitatus, their response will be slow, and too late. If the military is not allowed to properly prepare to conduct a tactical resolution to a mass hostage siege, then that mission is left to local law enforcement.
In order to tactically resolve a mass hostage siege on a target structure, in which a handful of terrorists are holding hostages, you would need to make the following assumptions:
You will need to out number your enemy at least two to one.
You will need to be able to assault from several attack positions.
Your assaulters will need to be well versed in the principles of fire and maneuver, moving forward and bringing the fight to the enemy.
In other words, they are not necessarily conducting a rehearsed hostage rescue (even though this is the mission); they are actually involved in an ever changing infantry battle. They will need to locate, close upon and destroy the enemy in order to save as many hostages as possible.
Are we ready for this? We talk about it. We assume that our first responders rapid deployment tactics will resolve, contain, or mitigate the terrorist attack. However, I say that we are not. Our brave first responders will be out gunned, funneled into interlocking fields of fire (kill zones), and repelled. Our SWAT teams will become fragmented and disorganized, unable to communicate properly enough between elements to mount a coordinated assault, and the situation will eventually stabilize, after enough cops die. We will then have to wait for federal resources or the Military to responded to hopefully resume the attack.
I believe SWAT as infantry is a solution to this. In effect, we will be training our SWAT officers to conduct infantry tactics that will enable them to mount a well organized attack against a fortified position. This is a concept that is being ignored, not due to a lack of concern, but, I believe due to a false misconception of confidence. Just imagine a rookie quarterback starting his first NFL game. He was the man last season in college but now the stakes are higher and the speed of the game just doubled. We all know there is no replacement for actual experience. That same quarterback we just discussed can, with actual game experience, get better. In order for us to get in the game we need to look at ourselves and what obstacles we need to overcome to be a viable solution.
First, let’s look at the average municipal SWAT Team of 12 to 16 members (that’s the equivalent of one infantry squad). If a small element (4 to 6) of terrorists were to take hostages, the 12 or 16 SWAT officers assaulting would only outnumber their adversaries by a margin of two to one. The terror attack on Beslan was a platoon strength unit, requiring approximately a company strength assault by Russian Special Forces. If we are to assume that our enemy will attempt to follow the Beslan model as closely as possible (due to its success), then the first obstacle is that there are not enough SWAT operators. I would suggest that to overcome this issue, there are several options.
First, share resources and train with neighboring teams, establishing SOP’s with them on infantry type tactics (assaulting to establish a foot hold, enveloping an enemy’s position and coordinating fire). Another option is supplementing a SWAT assault with other available resources; patrol officers, detectives, what ever it takes. If this is your only option, then these supplementing officers need to be familiar with the SOP’s and tactics that will be utilized to resolve the crisis.
Second, let’s look at SWAT tactics and experience. In order to resolve a hostage crisis, for the most part, SWAT teams rely on the situation stabilizing, allowing them to gather information, conduct rehearsals and then conduct an assault, if needed. This, as we well know, is the recipe that our adversaries in the terrorist attack want us to follow. So, I ask all the SWAT commanders or incident commanders “who is” making the call to assault? You get to the crisis site, the patrol officers have the site surrounded and the situation stabilized. You as the tactical commander turn to your chief and say, “Chief this is terrorist attack on our citizens and I believe the only way to resolve this and save any hostages is to assault the target as soon as possible.” How many incident commanders are going to make the call to start that operation right now? They might if they are aware of your teams’ training together with other teams for this type of attack and having a coordinated rehearsed solution, just as we have done for a criminal hostage taker.
Let’s look at SWAT experience in the realm of infantry tactics and assaults. I would venture to say that almost every team has some members with Military experience; some even with combat experience. This is a great benefit to have especially in the arena we are speaking about. But what we are really talking about, is tactics, SOP’s, command and control. How many teams are lucky enough to have members that served as platoon commanders / sergeants, or company commanders? Most police officers with military experience only served in the lower ranks and then, after completing their service honorably, left the military to become cops. Another question is how many also served as infantry men? And how long ago was it. We make these assumptions when we talk about our SWAT operator’s military experience. The solution to this is to turn to our brothers in the military and send our operators and SWAT commanders to Military schools that instruct infantry tactics and command.
Third, let’s look at our equipment and weapons. How many teams have automatic weapons, night vision, EOD, armored vehicles, or extended tactical operating equipment, and most importantly, hand grenades? SWAT was created and is still equipped to resolve civilian criminal crises. Most teams do not possess automatic weapons to help establish fire superiority over their enemy; most teams cannot outfit each operator with night vision to mount a stealth approach to attack positions. Most teams do not operate with EOD techs to mitigate IED’s encountered during an assault, and I don’t know of any team that has been authorized the ability to use explosives in offensive operations, let alone hand grenades. Let’s face it; if we are going to consider under taking infantry tactics, we have to have the tools. If we send our operators into an assault to locate and close with the enemy, they are going to have a hard time advancing once they move into hand grenade range. Hand grenades have been known to ruin a perfectly good attack. The solution to this is probably our most difficult. Police Officers are held accountable for every round we fire, or every piece of shrapnel we produce. Using automatic weapons and fragmentation is not in our tool box. There are alternatives such as using Police Snipers as a base of fire to suppress the enemy or creative tactics to assist in closing with the enemy.
We certainly live in troubled times. I realize the difficulty of the issue that I have proposed we all have to fight for training time, equipment, and support just to fulfill our primary mission as Law enforcement SWAT. I firmly believe the biggest obstacle we have to overcome after accepting the fact that there is a real threat of a mass hostage event happening within our country, is working together at all levels of law enforcement and with the military to train, plan and coordinate our response to such an attack.
Lt. Andrew Esposito is the Operational Commander for Rockland counties REACT (Rescue Entry and Counter Terrorism) team. He is a retired Gunnery Sergeant with 21 years of service in the United States Marines. He has held every specialty infantry occupation over the course of his career and has served in several combat and training operations abroad. He is a certified instructor in the following areas: Defensive tactics, firearms and the Cooper Institute law enforcement fitness trainer. He has served as the Chief Drill Instructor at the Rockland County Police Academy for several years and has been employed by the Rockland County Sheriff’s Department for 20 years.

Craigslist Ad Shows Obamacare Hitting Youth Voter Like a Club

Craigslist Ad Shows Obamacare Hitting Youth Voter Like a Club

Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 3:50 PM

 

This Craigslist ad shows reality is hitting a young Obama voter right in the wallet -
Here’s a Craigslist poster that’s clearly not very happy with Barack Obama, who he says he voted for.
obamacare ad
Here is his posting… with a couple of minor edits:
What Obamacare did for me
I thought it would be great, free health insurance, then I got a job. Boss says 28 hours a week is all they are offering now because over 30 requires insurance. Great, 30% pay cut right off the bat. But it gets better. My 28 hour week gives me about $18,000 a year which is too much for any government insurance. So now by law I have to buy my own ($5000) or pay a fine. I’m f**ked and every year the fine goes up. So what I thought was a sweet deal turned into an a** f**king. Thanks Obama, I wonder how many people like me turn 27 and find out you screwed us?
Posted: 2013-01-27, 3:14PM PST
It’s called reality, kid. Get used to it.

OBAMA WAS ADOPTED THATS WHY HIS RECORDS ARE SEALED

Access to Original Birth Certificate Citation: Rev. Stat. §§ 578-14; 578-15; 338-20 If a new birth certificate is issued, the original birth certificate THEY ONLY CAN BE OPENED BY THIS MEANS 

[HELLO ANONYMOUS

HELLO ANONYMOUS THIS IS OBAMA RECORDS 
Access to Original Birth Certificate
Citation: Rev. Stat. §§ 578-14; 578-15; 338-20
If a new birth certificate is issued, the original birth certificate shall be sealed. The sealed document may be opened by the department only by an order of a court or when requested in accordance with § 578-15.
The birth parent may be provided a copy of the original birth certificate upon request.

OBAMA NOT EVEN A UNITED STATES CITIZEN


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OBAMA NOT EVEN A UNITED STATES CITIZEN
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17559086/Obama-Not-Even-A-United-States-Citizen-The-Case-Against-Obama-The ^ | July 2, 2009 | Paul Dunk
Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:34:00 PM by NoLibZone
OBAMA NOT EVEN A UNITED STATES CITIZEN!
THE CASE AGAINST OBAMA THE ILLEGAL ALIEN
His own website claims that Sen. Obama's Kenyan citizenship did not expire until 1982. In 1980, Sen. Obama was not an American citizen and his legal name was Barry Soetoro. He has never shown evidence that he has naturalized as an American citizen, and he has never produced any document that indicates a name change from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama.
Obama Is Illegitimate Because Of
*His British Citizenship At Birth,
*His Kenyan Citizenship From Age 2, And
*His Indonesian Citizenship From Around Age 5 Until Now.

Obama is certainly not a natural born citizen. And possibly not even a citizen of the United States! Obama may in fact be an illegal alien… subject to arrest and deportation to Indonesia. It is possible that Obama did not even bother to become a naturalized citizen of the United States and remains an Indonesian citizen even today. Appropriate federal records would be on file if Obama made application for naturalization. If they exist, they have not been made public. If Obama did not relinquish his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen upon his return to Hawaii, he remains an Indonesian citizen with the legal name of Barry Soetoro and has not been a U.S. citizen since being adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia in 1966 or 1967.
The Case Against Obama: The "ifs"... IF BORN IN KENYA...
Born in Kenya
If, in fact, Obama was born in Kenya, under the laws of the United States, in effect at the time of his birth, if a child was born abroad, and one parent was a U.S. citizen (which here, of course, would be Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham), Obama’s mother would have had to have lived ten (10) years in the U.S., five (5) of which were after she reached the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama’s birth, his mother was only eighteen (18), and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship. The laws in effect at the time of Obama’s birth did not recognize U.S. Citizenship at birth of children born abroad to a U.S. Citizen parent and a non-citizen parent, if the citizen parent was under the age of nineteen (19) at the time of the birth of the child. Obama’s mother did not qualify under the law on the books to register Obama as a citizen. http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=4099.0
Obama has admitted that he was born in 1961 to a mother alleged to be an American citizen who was 18 at the time of his birth, and a father who was a Kenyan national and a British citizen, not a U.S. resident.
Pursuant to Section 301(a)(7) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S.C. §1401(b), Matter of S-F- and G-, 2 I & N Dec. 182 (B.I. A.) approved (Att'y Gen. 1944), the federal statute in effect at that time, the candidate could not acquire American citizenship, because he was born out of the country and only one parent was an American, and she was disqualified under the Act because she did not have five continuous years of residency following her fourteenth birthday before the child was born, as she was only 18. Sen. Obama could not have become an American citizen except through a naturalization process at the time of his birth.
The immigration laws in effect at the time of and as amended five years after Obama's birth simply did not allow for citizenship at birth for children born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent and a non-citizen parent if the citizen parent was under the age of nineteen.
http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=4098.0 Obama’s American citizen parent, Ann Dunham, had to have been a resident of the United States for 10 years, at least five of which were over the age of 14. Dunham did not meet that requirement (of the Nationality Act of 1940, revised June 1952) until her 19th birthday in late November of 1961, almost four months after Obama was born. The law confers U.S. nationality on a child born outside the United States only under certain circumstances, including: “(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.” Thus Obama was not only not a natural born citizen, he was not even a citizen of the United States.
http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=4107.msg17950;topicseen#new http://colony14.net/id41.html
OBAMA BECAME A U.S. NATURALIZED CITIZEN AT AGE 19: "U.S. law does not allow U.S. nationality to be conferred on a foreign born baby of a foreign father unless the mother has a total of 14 years U.S. residency, five (5) of those years post age 14. I believe that is 8 U.S.C. 1401. However, Berg has Obama, Sr. as the legal husband and Dunham the wife. Obama, Sr. had a first wife, and no codiciles of divorce. Therefore, the Obama-Dunham marriage was void ad initio per bigamy. This changes applicable naturalization statute from 1401 to 1409(c), which is an out of wedlock provision requiring only one year (1) of U.S. residency post age 14 for the single mother to confer U.S. nationality. Born in Kenya an illegitimate child to a bigamist father, Obama was a full British citizen at birth. Taking the child to Hawaii and divording Obama, Sr. (not necessary due to bigamy), Obama, Jr. would have become a U.S. citizen eventually, but the process would have been speeded up through a letter to the U.S. Secretary of State."
http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=2690.0
Obama, Sr., an Arab-African Muslim by birth, but an atheist by admission, already had two children with a woman in Kenya named Kezia (b. 1938). The senior Obama may or may not have been legally married to Kezia. Some have speculated that their marriage was only a tribal marriage, and therefore not legally recognized. Depending on his marital status in Kenya, Obama’s marriage to Dunham may not therefore have been legal. (Obama and Kezia eventually reunite after he separates from Ann Dunham, and Kezia bears two more of his children.) After learning of the planned wedding to Dunham, Obama, Sr.’s father writes a long, angry letter to her parents saying he “didn’t approve of the marriage” and “didn’t want the Obama blood sullied by a white woman.”
http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=4107.msg17950;topicseen#new http://colony14.net/id41.html
Even if Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii, he lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother re-married and moved to Indonesia with her Indonesian husband. The Nationality Act of 1940 provided for the loss of citizenship when a child became naturalized in a foreign country upon the naturalization of his or her parent having custody of such child. Obama’s mother expatriated her U.S. Citizenship when she married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, and relocated with her son (Obama) to Indonesia. http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=4099.0
Even if Obama was born in Hawaii, an important issue may be whether he became and may still be an Indonesian citizen; his school records and passport records may hold the key to why he is keeping his past shrouded in secrecy.
http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=4107.msg17950;topicseen#new http://colony14.net/id41.html
Stanley Ann Dunham was divorced from the candidate's natural father shortly after the birth of the candidate and following her return to Hawaii where she allegedly had the birth registered. She then met and married an Indonesian national named Lo lo Soetoro. In 1967 or 1968, she relocated with Lo lo Soetoro and Obama to Indonesia, where she had a second child, whose birth was subsequently registered in Hawaii. With the adoption of Obama by Lolo Soetoro, his birth name was changed as a matter of law from Barack Hussein Obama to Barry Soetoro, and the candidate became an Indonesian national. Again, at this time, American citizenship was not available to Sen. Obama except through naturalization. In 1971, Stanley Ann Dunham and Barry Soetoro returned to Hawaii. Ms. Dunham did not divorce her second husband Lolo Soetoro until 1980, Hawaii Case No. 1DV00-0-117619. The candidate then attended colleges in the United States, including Occidental in California, Columbia University, and Harvard Law School. When he was 20 years old, he traveled to Pakistan, as detailed in his book, Dreams of my Father. He did not have an American passport at that time. His own website claims that Sen. Obama's Kenyan citizenship did not expire until 1982. In 1980, Sen. Obama was not an American citizen and his legal name was Barry Soetoro. He has never shown evidence that he has naturalized as an American citizen, and he has never produced any document that indicates a name change from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama.
http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=4098.0

Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship and any U.S. citizenship would therefore have to be relinquished.
http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=3342.0 http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=3132.msg17823#msg17823 http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=1518.msg17868#msg17868
OBAMA BECAME A U.S. NATURALIZED CITIZEN AT AGE 19: "Obama did not become a U.S. citizen until age 19. Obama successfully achieved U.S. citizenship from his birthright nationality at birth at age 19 via the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, §349(a)[1988]. This law allows a child reaching majority to reverse naturalization forced upon him/her as a minor by parents or legal guardian. U.S. law does not allow U.S. nationality to be conferred on a foreign born baby of a foreign father unless the mother has a total of 14 years U.S. residency, five (5) of those years post age 14. Born in Kenya an illegitimate child to a bigamist father, Obama was a full British citizen at birth. Taking the child to Hawaii and divording Obama, Sr. (not necessary due to bigamy), Obama, Jr. would have become a U.S. citizen eventually, but the process would have been speeded up through a letter to the U.S. Secretary of State. Obama's Kenyan or Hawaiian birth are moot distinctions, once Stanley Ann Dunham took the child to Indonesia after marrying Lolo Soetoro. Indonesian law automatically claimed jurisdiction over the mother and child and they were naturalized Indonesians. Obama remained a naturalized Indonesian (from dual British and U.S. nationalites) until he satisfied the 1952 Act's five-year continuous residency requirement from age 14-18. At age 19, Obama was a naturalized citizen."
http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=2690.0
Purportedly, Obama was legally adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, which made Obama an Indonesian citizen according to Indonesian law. Because Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, Obama thus lost his U.S. citizenship (if he even had it) when he became an Indonesian citizen in or about 1967. At that point, Obama also ceased to be a Kenyan citizen, according to both Indonesian and Kenyan law. Indonesian law would also have required Ann Dunham to renounce her U.S. citizenship for her marriage to Lolo Soetoro to have been considered legal in that country. If, after Obama returned to Hawaii, he applied for and was granted American citizenship he would be a naturalized citizen and not a natural born citizen, and would therefore be ineligible to serve as president of the United States. It is possible that Obama did not even bother to become a naturalized citizen of the United States and remains an Indonesian citizen even today. Appropriate federal records would be on file if Obama made application for naturalization. If they exist, they have not been made public. Indonesia's policy of not allowing dual citizenship must be respected by the United States in accordance with the Hague Convention of 1930. Further, Obama, as a child, was not specifically required to renounce his U.S.—that would have been an automatic result of his adoption by Lolo Soetoro. Fair or not, the consequence of Dunham’s marriage to Soetoro and Soetoro’s adoption of Obama was that he became an Indonesian citizen… regardless of whether he understood the situation at age five or six.
Indonesia today still does not allow dual citizenship. Under Indonesia law, once Obama became a naturalized citizen by virtue of adoption he could not lose that status without relinquishing his citizenship in writing, under oath. If he did that, the government of Indonesia would have those records. If he did not do so by age 21, Obama is to this day still considered an Indonesian citizen by that country. His place of birth or the nationality of his mother is irrelevant; Indonesian law takes precedence under The Master Nationality Rule of Article 4 of the Hague Convention on 1930. Upon returning to the United States from Indonesia, Obama eventually satisfied the “five-years-after-age-14” residency requirement of the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, thus making him a naturalized citizen of the United States at age 19. Residing in the United States for five or more years after attaining age 14 established the intent of Obama to become a U.S. citizen under the law, which supersedes the Indonesian citizenship over which he had no control because of his age at adoption.
Obama, after returning to Hawaii from Indonesia and upon turning age 18, could possibly have relinquished his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen, with the proper paperwork filed through the U.S. State Department and by swearing an oath of allegiance to the United States. Some believe that Obama did not do so, and that he never legally changed his name from Barry Soetoro (granted upon adoption) back to Barack Obama, Jr.
If Obama did not relinquish his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen upon his return to Hawaii, he remains an Indonesian citizen with the legal name of Barry Soetoro and has not been a U.S. citizen since being adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia in 1966 or 1967. Thus, he is not only ineligible to be President of the United States, he would also have been ineligible to be a U.S. Senator. Obama’s repeated failure to provide documentation to prove he is a U.S. citizen suggests to many that it does not exist, and he is therefore possibly perpetrating a colossal fraud on the 300 million citizens of the United States. Obama may in fact be an illegal alien… subject to arrest and deportation to Indonesia. Obama could also be subject to a massive class action fraud lawsuit on behalf of everyone who submitted donations to his presidential campaign (over $600 million) under the incorrect belief that he was legally eligible to serve as president. Arguably, Obama and key leaders of the Democrat National Committee could also be prosecuted under the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO).
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http://www.marchreport.com/20081028/obama_reg.jpg http://www.marchreport.com/20081028/obama-reg_trans.jpg
BORN IN THE U.S. OR ABROAD Whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii, at the time of his birth he was a
citizen of the United Kingdom by virtue of his father's citizenship. On December 12, 1963, Kenya became independent, and pursuant to the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Sen. Obama became a Kenyan citizen on December 12, 1963. http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=4098.0
Obama states he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. If that is the case, he was then both an American citizen and a British citizen at birth because his father was a citizen of the protectorate of British East Africa. Because the region had, in 1961, not yet declared its independence from Great Britain, Obama was, like his father, a British citizen under Section 32(1) of the British Nationality Act of 1948. Both Obama, Sr. and Obama, Jr. then automatically became citizens of Kenya when that independent nation was formed in 1963. Obama’s British/Kenyan citizenship automatically expired when he turned age 21, but he was born with dual citizenship and split loyalties.
One of Obama’s Web sites, FightTheSmears.com, affirms, “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children. Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.” This statement by the Obama campaign admits that he was a British citizen at birth and thus had dual citizenship (even if he was born in the United States).
Some have argued that Section 1 of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution allows Obama to serve as president. The relevant part reads, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” This Amendment was meant to prevent the Supreme Court from ruling as unconstitutional the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which granted citizenship to former slaves. Nothing in the 14th Amendment, however, changes the requirement that a president must be a natural born citizen, rather than simply a citizen or a naturalized citizen.
In an effort to squelch the born-in-Kenya rumors, Obama’s campaign posts an image of his Hawaiian birth certificate on the Internet; it is immediately suspected of being a forgery. The story breaks on Pamela Geller’s AtlasShrugs.com Web site (which has consistently had the most thorough coverage). The birth certificate image shows evidence of being computer- generated, and it represents the limited short form birth record document rather than the more detailed long form document (sometimes referred to as the “ribbon copy” because it is produced with ink from the typewriter’s ribbon). Obama’s legitimate long form birth certificate may possibly list a place of birth other than Hawaii, a father other than Obama, Sr., or no father at all. Of course, a newborn infant’s mother can give the hospital the name of just about anyone as the father and it will likely be recorded.
Researcher Dr. Ron Polarik performed an exhaustive examination of the various Obama birth certificate images available on the Internet and states that the document is a fake. Polarik alleges that no original paper Certification of Live Birth (COLB) corresponding to the image on the Internet exists. He states that the online document was computer-generated and not a scanned image of any authentic Obama COLB. Polarik also points out that the 2007 seal shown on Obama’s alleged 2007 COLB looks nothing like the authentic 2007 Hawaiian seal on actual documents for that year. The birth certificate provided by the Obama campaign lists the father’s race as “African,” a term that likely would not have been used for a newborn child’s race in 1961. A birth certificate in that period would probably have listed the race as “Negro” or “colored.” Those may not be politically correct terms today, but they were in widespread use in 1961. The use of the word “African” on the Obama form thus further suggests that the document provided by his campaign was a newly created fabrication, prepared by someone unfamiliar with 1961 society.
Government authorities in Kenya have stated that all documents regarding Obama would be “under seal.” That statement itself raises questions, because if Obama were born in Hawaii, Kenya would have no Obama birth records to seal. Sarah Obama further states that she was present in the Mombasa delivery room when Obama was born. One half-brother and one half-sister of Obama also claim he was born in Kenya. That would be consistent with a purported stop by Dunham to the state of Washington on the return trip to Hawaii, and with the possible existence of only a Hawaiian register of birth, rather than an actual Hawaiian birth certificate. The Chicago Tribune was told by Dunham’s friend Susan Blake that Dunham visited her in Seattle with the newborn infant
shortly after his birth. That visit to Blake makes more sense as part of a necessary return trip from Kenya to Hawaii through Seattle than as an optional pleasure trip from Hawaii to Seattle and back to Hawaii simply to show off a newborn baby.
A critical issue with regard to the Obama long form birth certificate is that Hawaiian law (Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8) allows the State of Hawaii to issue a certificate of live birth even if the child is born outside the state provided the parents have been legal residents of Hawaii for at least one year immediately preceding the birth. Obama, Sr. had been a resident of Hawaii for at least one year prior to August 1961.
The birth document provided by the Obama campaign—whether valid or a forgery—is the short form. But having a Hawaiian certification of birth proves only that the birth was registered in Hawaii, it does not prove that the named individual was born in Hawaii. The place of birth is recorded on the vault copy document, but that is precisely the document that Obama refuses to produce. To those who argue, “That’s all nonsense, if you have a Hawaiian birth certificate you must have been born in Hawaii,” they need to account for the fact that Obama’s half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng also has a Hawaiian short form certification of birth yet readily admits she was born in Indonesia in 1970.
Some suggest that the Hawaiian statute was intended to increase the number of Hawaiian citizens in order to get additional federal money. Some have also argued that Hawaii’s status as the nation’s 50th state is questionable because the proposition voted on by its citizens only asked the question, “Should Hawaii immediately be admitted into the Union as a State?” and did not also offer the option of total independence. http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=4107.msg17950;topicseen#new http://colony14.net/id41.html
Obama's father was never a U.S. citizen; he was a citizen of Kenya (a British colony at a time) here in the U.S. on a student visa, which by itself made Obama/Soetoro ineligible for presidency, regardless of whether he was born in this country or Kenya, or whether he later lost his U.S. citizenship while immigrating to Indonesia and obtaining Indonesian citizenship (by being adopted and naturalized), and later reaffirming his Indonesian citizenship while traveling on an Indonesian passport as an adult, and also most likely obtaining taxpayer funded financial aid as a Foreign Exchange student from Indonesia. (Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship and any U.S. citizenship would therefore have to be relinquished).
You can't talk only about the birth certificate and not see an elephant in the room, which is Obama's British citizenship at birth, based on his father's citizenship. You can't talk about his birth certificate only and not demand immediate investigation of his numerous reported social security numbers, reported forgery of the Selective Service Certificate, perjury on the Illinois Bar application, all the evidence of campaign contributions fraud, charitable foundations fraud, tax fraud and numerous reports of his supporters being engaged in cyber crimes, intimidation, harassment, identity theft and all the other related crimes.
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A statutory natural born citizen is not necessarily the same thing as a Constitutional natural born citizen. The U.S. State Department warns against confusing the two concepts: ...the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes (U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual -- 7 FAM 1130). "Statutory natural born citizen" is the meaning of "natural born citizen" when such meaning depends on a Federal or State law. As Federal or State laws change, the meaning of "statutory natural born citizen" changes accordingly. "Constitutional natural born citizen" is the meaning of "natural born citizen" as used in the Constitution. If Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, he might be regarded as a statutory natural born citizen. But a statutory natural born citizen is not necessarily a Constitutional natural born citizen. http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=1518.msg17882#msg17882 http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=3620.msg17927;topicseen#new
Not A Natural-Born Citizen By Reason Of The Citizenship Of His Father. Ineligible By Reason Of The Citizenship Of His Father. Nowhere to Run
Obama has been running from his entire past for years now. His birth, college and passport records remain under lock and key. As the filibuster-proof Democrat congress works to force all U.S. national security secrets out into the public venue, they continue to provide cover for their messiah and run interference for the unconstitutional resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. But sooner or later, they will run out of room to run and places to hide. Their efforts to deflect public attention by attacking the U.S. intelligence community could be the final fuse that ignites a political implosion of cataclysmic proportions. http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=3132.msg17893;topicseen#new http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12904 Barack Obama is less of a person than an image -- a brand Savior or Saboteur? Obama in a Realistic Light
http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=3132.msg17895;topicseen#new http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12716 http://christianparty.net/obama.htm Wednesday, July 8, 2009 “It is a great pity when the one who should be the head figure is a mere figure head.” -- Charles H. Spurgeon
Barack Obama is less of a person than an image— a brand. People see whatever they want as they do on a Rorschach test. But does anyone really know him? In fact, he is:
An empty suit. A man with no birth certificate. A man who was deserted in childhood by his biological father. A man whose birth records, both in the United States and Kenya, are sealed by government order.
A man whose childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, spied on U.S. military installations in Hawaii for the Soviet Union, edited a communist newspaper, authored pornographic novels, and wrote poetry in praise of Joseph Stalin. A man mentored by and still supported by radical Muslims.
A man who promised transparency in government, but has spent over a million dollars in legal fees hiding information that would determine his eligibility to be President. A former drug user. A man whose academic records are sealed from kindergarten through law school. A man who arrived in New York in June of 1981 without enough money to get
a hotel room, but one month later flew to Indonesia and Pakistan. Why did he go? Who paid his expenses? A man who traveled to Pakistan when it was illegal for U.S. citizens to do so. So what country’s passport did he use?
A man whose Law School Admission Test scores and grades at Columbia University are known to have been mediocre, but was admitted to Harvard Law School through the intervention of a Saudi named Khalid al-Mansour. A law review editor who never published an article in any law review. A lawyer with no significant accomplishments in the law and no reputation in
the legal community. A former State and U.S. Senator, who never authored a piece of legislation. A disciple of the Marxist Saul Alinsky. A product of the Chicago political machine—the most corrupt political organization in America. A man who selects Marxists, corrupt politicians, and criminals as his close political associates and personal friends. A man whose presidential candidacy was endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America, the Socialist International, and the Workers International League. A man lauded for the literary brilliance of two memoirs, both of which were ghostwritten by others. A so-called Christian who says that knowing when human life begins is “above
his pay-grade,” but somehow knows that abortion is permissible at any stage. A man who thinks “waterboarding” is immoral, but that partial-birth abortion is moral.
A man who publicly laments slavery in America—which was abolished 150 years ago—but praises Islam, which still practices both slavery and the sexual mutilation of young girls.
A man who speaks endlessly about helping the less fortunate, but gives almost none of his sizeable income to charity—not even to his half-brother, who is living in squalor in Kenya. A man who had the most left-wing voting record in the United State Senate, but was predicted by the press to “govern from the middle.” A man who has never created a job, met a payroll, or even operated a
lemonade stand, but wants to tell Detroit how to make cars. A President who has never before served as an executive in either the private or the public sector. A Commander-in-Chief who doesn’t know how to shoot a rifle, throw a hand- grenade, drive a tank, fly a plane, or con a ship. A Commander-in-Chief who has publicly divulged some of our nation’s most important intelligence secrets.
A man who has been put in charge of the largest economic engine that ever existed, but has never invested in the stock market and admits total ignorance of it. A President who says that science will guide his administration, but has no education in the sciences. A man who is proficient in reading what is written for him on a teleprompter, but jerks and stammers his way through any off-the-cuff speaking. A man whose health records are sealed from childhood to the present day. A man whose educational records are sealed from childhood through law school.
A man who spent 20 years in a church whose pastor espouses Marxist Liberation Theology, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Semitism, but claims he never heard his pastor utter anti-American, and anti-Semitic statements.
A man who added more to the National Debt in 100 days than all other Presidents did in the past 220 years, yet feels qualified to lecture Americans about “fiscal responsibility”.
A man who publicly expressed disdain for the U.S. Constitution on a Chicago radio station because it limited the government’s ability to “redistribute wealth.” The first American President to bow before a foreign head of state—a Muslim dictator.
A man who sits and listens submissively while his country is castigated by Daniel Ortega—a Communist thug whose own daughter accused him of raping her. A narcissist who gave the Queen of England a present from the United States -- an iPod containing recordings of his own speeches. A so-called Christian who officially declared “Pride Month” for a lifestyle that the Bible calls an abomination.
A man who wanted Americans to ignore his Muslim name during his election campaign, yet boasts of his Muslim name when he travels to Muslim countries. A man who can name hundreds of America’s shortcomings, yet none of its great accomplishments. A President who claims the moral high ground by closing Gitmo yet supports the transfer of terror suspects to countries where horrific torture is certain.
A President who scoffed at being called a socialist yet acted to nationalize the auto industry, the banking industry, and the insurance industry . . . and now seeks to nationalize the healthcare industry. A President who violates private property rights, the sanctity of contracts, and
the rule of law—three essential principles that go back over a thousand years in the Common Law tradition. A man who promised 95% of all Americans a tax cut, but is increasing taxes on 100% of the population through inflation—the cruelest tax of all.
A lawyer who represented ACORN—an organization now indicted in several states for voter fraud—whose stated goal is to get as many people on welfare as possible in order to destroy our financial system. A President who cheated GM’s bondholders by giving their property to the UAW in a political payoff.
An American President who frequently criticizes his own country when speaking in foreign countries, but never praises America’s generosity, goodness or greatness. A President whose Secretary of the Treasury cheated on his taxes—as did several other appointees and advisors. A President who, despite the current federal debt of 100 trillion dollars, wants to add the greatest debt ever by nationalizing healthcare. A President who scoffs at being called a socialist, yet has appointed 28 “Czars” to circumvent constitutional government, including:
A “Science Czar” who has advocated compulsory abortions for American women and the “surrender of sovereignty” to a “comprehensive Planetary Regime.” A self-professed communist as his “Green Jobs Czar”. A “Pay Czar” to regulate the pay of corporate executives.
A President who swore an oath to “preserve, protect and defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic,” yet has nominated a domestic enemy of the Constitution to the Supreme Court. A President whose Homeland Security Chief classified pro-lifers, veterans, and supporters of traditional marriage as terrorists.
A President who stood silent while the Iranian government hacked unarmed protestors to death with axes, because it was an internal matter, but freely offers his opinions about the internal affairs of Israel and Honduras. A President who decreed that true acts of terrorism must now be described as “man-made disasters.” A President who cracks hurtful jokes about Special Olympians. A President who refused to intercept or inspect a North Korean ship virtually certain to be carrying Weapons of Mass Destruction toBurma. A President who wants to cancel all missile defenses while rogue nations are developing long-range ballistic missiles. An American President who blames the violence in Mexico on America. A Commander in Chief who claims to have been unaware that Air Force One was taken on a terrifying, low-level photo-op over Manhattan.
A President who berates American CEO’s for flying in private planes at private expense on company business, but whose wife spends hundreds of thousands tax payer dollars flying to Paris for a shopping spree. A President who promised a transparent administration, but requires all questions be screened before “impromptu” appearances. A man who freely admitted that his energy policies are designed to bankrupt the American coal industry. A President who has presided over the loss of 14.7 million jobs and whose “energy policy” will cause the loss of another 1 million jobs. A President whose “energy policy” will increase the average American’s utility bills by over $2,000 a year in the middle of the Great Recession. A man about whom liberal journalist Tom Brokaw said, “There’s a lot about him we don’t know.” . . .just one week before the election.
The vast majority of Americans do not know who he is, but someone surely does. Someone paid for his travel expenses to Pakistan and Indonesia. Someone engineered legal challenges to all of his election opponents for the State Senate and had them disqualified. Someone straightened and leveled his path to the U.S. Senate when a Democrat Judge made public the child custody records of his Republican opponent. When he was a candidate for the U.S. Senate, someone arranged for him to speak at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Someone saw to it that all of his records were sealed, both at home and abroad. Someone assembled the massive organization for his run for the Presidency. Someone knows all about him. Who? restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum email exchanges RE: Obama Not Even A United States Citizen! The Case Against Obama The Illegal Alien... subject to arrest and deportation to Indonesia. From: Paul Dunk Sent: Friday, 24 July 2009 12:19:52 AM To: Vik Bataillie Kenya not Indonesia. From: vikaryan Obama Not Even A United States Citizen! The Case Against Obama The Illegal Alien http://www.scribd.com/doc/17559086/Obama-Not-Even-A-United-States-Citizen-The-Case- Against-Obama-The-Illegal-Alien- Description
Obama is illegitimate due to 1) his British Citizenship at birth, 2) his Kenyan Citizenship from age 2, and 3) his Indonesian Citizenship from around age 5 until now. Obama is certainly not a natural born citizen. And possibly not even a citizen of the United States! Obama may in fact be an illegal alien… subject to arrest and deportation to Indonesia. Obama could also be subject to a massive class action fraud lawsuit on behalf of everyone who submitted donations to his presidential campaign under the incorrect belief that he was legally eligible to serve as president. Arguably, Obama and key leaders of the Democrat National Committee could also be prosecuted under the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO). It is possible that Obama did not even bother to become a naturalized citizen of the United States and remains an Indonesian citizen even today. Appropriate federal records would be on file if Obama made application for naturalization. If they exist, they have not been made public. If Obama did not relinquish his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen upon his return to Hawaii, he remains an Indonesian citizen with the legal name of Barry Soetoro and has not been a U.S. citizen since being adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia in 1966 or 1967. His own website claims that Sen. Obama's Kenyan citizenship did not expire until 1982. In 1980, Sen. Obama was not an
American citizen and his legal name was Barry Soetoro. He has never shown evidence that he has naturalized as an American citizen, and he has never produced any document that indicates a name change from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama.

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KEYWORDS: birth; certificate; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obamabc; obamacitizenship

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1 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:34:02 PM by NoLibZone


To: NoLibZone
I did search for this using various words. Delete if a dupe.
2 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:36:47 PM by NoLibZone (Obama must be impeached and tried for treason.)


To: NoLibZone
Isn’t there some rule about posting length?
3 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:38:11 PM by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)


To: NoLibZone
4 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:38:13 PM by NoLibZone (Obama must be impeached and tried for treason.)


To: NoLibZone
BTTT
5 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:39:32 PM by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)


To: NoLibZone
Maybe if we mass in DC in peacful protest and demand his papers then this will finally come to a head? I mean Kahdaffi now tells the Palestinians to protest Israel and that this is the time of the great protest...
Lets go...
6 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:41:16 PM by Typical_Whitey ("It doesn't matter how smart you are, unless you stop and think".... Thomas Sowell)


To: NoLibZone
Indonesian GO HOME!
7 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:42:02 PM by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)


To: P8riot
"Isn't there a rule about posting length?"There should be. Anything over 6 feet long....use a link.
Leni
8 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:42:10 PM by MinuteGal (OK, BOR...NAME the "far-rightists" you always morally compare to the far-leftists. Name names, NOW!)


9 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:42:15 PM by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)


To: P8riot
Isn’t there some rule about posting length?

Beats hell out of the blog pimps that post one line and a link........ imo.
10 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:44:05 PM by deport

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To: NoLibZone
A man whose childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, spied on U.S. military installations in Hawaii for the Soviet Union I didn't know this.
12 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:46:13 PM by marron


To: humblegunner
See tagline.
13 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:48:28 PM by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Sarah Palin loves mine!)


To: NoLibZone
Another reason why I want to see his college records. Its important to know what citizenship he claimed once he was of age.
And I’d like to know what passport he traveled on while he was in college. Same reason.
14 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:48:43 PM by marron


To: P8riot
What do you think the length restrictions should be?
Bumper sticker?
Anyone have the word length restrictions?
15 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:52:06 PM by NoLibZone (Obama must be impeached and tried for treason.)


To: NoLibZone
as detailed in his book, Dreams of my FatherI trust this is all impeccable research, but it's Dreams FROM My Father.
16 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:53:09 PM by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (BYOST -- bring your own sark tag. Thank you.)


To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
I’ll leave the accuracy of this info to our resident experts.
17 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:55:42 PM by NoLibZone (Obama must be impeached and tried for treason.)


To: marron
Agree with you, Marron. Lapse of a assumingly (not proved) American citizenship when adopted in Indonesia was not a personal choice, so I could personally let that slide. BUT what did he self-describe when he was an adult in college???
18 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:55:42 PM by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)


To: NoLibZone
I wish the idiots in DC would listen...
19 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:57:08 PM by phockthis


To: LucyT; mojitojoe; null and void; ASA Vet
This should be good ping!
20 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:57:52 PM by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)

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To: Las Vegas Ron
Totally disrespectful to the Lord, jerk. Orly got promoted?
22 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:02:00 PM by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)


To: P8riot
Isn’t there some rule about posting length? Isn't there some rule about hijacking a thread?
23 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:02:22 PM by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)


To: Las Vegas Ron
how ever he listed himself in college it was to game the system. His MO was to game the system ever where he went.
24 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:04:12 PM by magua


To: humblegunner
Disrespect the Lord at you own peril, fool.
25 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:04:45 PM by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)


To: NoLibZone
This document is interesting for several reasons.
1. If real, it is one of the few documents from Obama’s early life to have escaped the memory hole. That makes it significant in and of itself.
2. The document records the name Barry Soetoro, religion Islam, and nationality, Indonesian all from a time when no one had a reason to invent some alternate account.
3. Unfortunately for the Kenyan birth advocates, it also records his birthplace as Honolulu; again, from a time and place when recording anything except the truth was unlikely.
In my view, this document destroys the Kenya birth story, but does raise legitimate questions about what steps Obama took to regain his citizenship, when did he take those steps, and what things might he have done to take advantage of his Indonesian citizenship before it became a handicap.
I find quite plausible a scenario that Obama did not act immediately to regain his citizenship and may have taken advantage of his foreign status to avoid registering for the draft, gain admission to college as a foreign exchange student and may explain why he seems to have a social security number challenge. His strange and almost certainly illegal behavior can be explained very nicely.
Is it true? Who knows, in fact, who really knows anything about Obama’s early life and what documents remain undestroyed that could confirm it. What is interesting about this theory is that many Constitutional scholars and citizenship experts contend that if Obama has sought restoration of his citizenship upon gaining his majority, he would have been restored to its original character and might well be eligible to be President. But, he clearly did not want attention directed at his early life and had calculated that even if the courts had found him to be eligible, he could not win under such conditions.
That’s my theory, and I’m sticking to it. I make no silly claims that my theory is true and that anyone who doesn’t believe it is a troll.
26 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:06:47 PM by centurion316


To: P8riot
Isn’t there some rule about posting length? Got to be over 6,114 words. This one just made it.
27 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:06:58 PM by RGSpincich


To: magua
No doubt FRiend....damn are we getting gamed, screwed glued and tattooed.
28 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:07:27 PM by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)


To: marron
>Another reason why I want to see his college records. Its important to know what citizenship he claimed once he was of age.<
I want to see these records most. I bet that it says he was a foreign student to get foreign aid.
That is something he just could NEVER explain away.
29 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:08:35 PM by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)


To: NoLibZone
I sent this to a fellow freeper

I think a bunch of this goes back to Indonesia when mommaobamma worked for little timmy (tax cheat) guitner (sp) I always wondered why he went to Pakistan, on what passport and who payed for him to travel the world, gave him money and destroyed all records (think maybe little timmy has something on obummer) especially due to the stories that barry did not have enought money to pay cab fare to demonrat convention, then an unknown politition writes 2 books and become a millionaire something stinks in Norway and I don't think it is the Gefilte Fish
30 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:09:35 PM by Foolsgold (L I B Lacking in Brains)


To: Typical_Whitey
MuBarack must resign.
31 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:15:04 PM by conservativeimage.com ("Uh, let me be clear. Uh." - President Barack Obama)


To: RGSpincich
Isn’t there some rule about posting length? Got to be over 6,114 wor

This one just made it.

6368 words to be exact, but who's going to be so nit picky to squabble over 254 words. :>)
32 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:16:10 PM by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)


To: NoLibZone
Damn, I almost wore out my blackberry ball scrolling through that..
33 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:17:05 PM by goseminoles


To: centurion316
Under US law, if someone is born a citizen by virtue of the US citizenship of their parent(s), *nothing* a citizen parent can do can changes that status, for example the child will remain a citizen even if the parents renounce their own citizenship, and they cannot renounce a child’s citizenship.
So there is no need for such a child to “recover” their citizenship, as they have never lost it.
34 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:20:54 PM by M. Dodge Thomas


To: Foolsgold
Two years ago, I had a long drunken conversation about this subject with a lawyer here in Japan that sometimes handles immigration issues. He said that there are a number of ways in which an American can lose his/her citizenship wihtout specifically renouncing it, and one of those ways is to accept and use a passport from a nation that does not recognize dual citizenship.
Since Indonesia does not, if Obama ever traveled anywhere under an Indonesian passport, he had lost his American citizenship at that point, regardless of where he was born.
Further, it was that lawyer’s opinion that even if he had regained American citizenship through the naturalization process afterwards, he would still be ineligible for the Presidency because at that point he would be a naturalized US citizen, not a natural born citizen, even if he had been born in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House.
35 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:22:57 PM by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")


To: marron
Another reason why I want to see his college records. Its important to know what citizenship he claimed once he was of age. And I’d like to know what passport he traveled on while he was in college. Same reason.

Sounds like a job for.... Wikileaks!

Where are they when they're really needed?

And, I'm pretty sure that the libs, who loved wikileaks during the last several leaks of U.S. documents, will be as quick to believe the Obama documents and foreign birth certificates (if they're ever released, or leaked). ;)
36 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:24:34 PM by adorno


To: NoLibZone
I knew it.
37 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:25:02 PM by Berlin_Freeper (The Left is the Antichrist.)


To: M. Dodge Thomas
Under US law, if someone is born a citizen by virtue of the US citizenship of their parent(s), *nothing* a citizen parent can do can changes that status, You are quite right about that, but if Obama had taken some positive action to confirm that new citizenship after attaining his majority, such as applying for a passport, then a taint might have fallen over his citizenship. Given State Department rulings and actions in similar cases, Obama probably had nothing to worry about. But, this was a political issue and not a legal issue, and still is in my opinion.
38 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:26:48 PM by centurion316


To: MinuteGal
Here's why you're wrong about using a link: Links can disappear, get changed, be blocked. A thread without an article is useless. This is why Free Republic is but a shadow of its former self, before the Washington Post lawsuit forced Jim Robinson to stop posting entire articles. Just try reading a four year old thread that has only an excerpt and a link. There's only a slight chance that the link will still yield the excerpted article. Even if the article is still there, it may have been altered. Anyway, who cares how long an article is? It's not like trees are being chopped down to print it.
39 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:27:48 PM by giotto


To: NoLibZone
“A man who traveled to Pakistan when it was illegal for U.S. citizens to do so. So what country’s passport did he use?”
That is complete BS.
40 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:28:03 PM by trumandogz


To: NoLibZone
Far Too Long!
1. Obama cannot be a “natural born” U.S. citizen regardless of where he was born, if his father is Barrack H. Obama, Sr.
2. If Barrack H. Obama, Sr. is his father, and Barrack H. Obama, Jr. was born anywhere but the U.S. he is not a U.S. Citizen at all.
3. The only way that Barrack H. Obama, Jr. (aka Barry Serotoro) is a U.S. Citizen is if his father is someone other than Barrack H. Obama, Sr. If his father were in fact Frank Marshall Davis (U.S. Citizen & Card carrying Commie), he would not only be a U.S. Citizen but a “natural born” U.S. Citizen. (And a “natural born” Commie)
41 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:29:45 PM by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)


To: conservativeimage.com
Thats good!
42 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:32:01 PM by nkycincinnatikid


To: NoLibZone
This is soooo-o-o boring! Can't we get on to the real issues the American People care about - like how the Tea Bagger Congress is going to destroy Social Security, sabotage good American jobs, throw poor black kids out of Head Start, shut down the government, and toss Grandma out into the snow?
Sheesh! Get REAL!!!
/s/
43 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:32:25 PM by Gritty (Entitlement is a disease, much like cancer - Herman Cain)


To: Typical_Whitey
Maybe if we mass protest in DC.......someone talked about that recently on the radio. Let’s do it sooner than later. Next week works for me.
44 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:36:02 PM by stickywillie


To: NoLibZone
Correction:Far Too Long!
1. Obama cannot be a “natural born” U.S. citizen regardless of where he was born, if his father is Barrack H. Obama, Sr.
2. If Barrack H. Obama, Sr. is his father, and Barrack H. Obama, Jr. was born anywhere but the U.S. he is not a U.S. Citizen at all.
3. The only way that Barrack H. Obama, Jr. (aka Barry Serotoro) is a "natural born" U.S. Citizen is if his father is someone other than Barrack H. Obama, Sr. If his father were in fact Frank Marshall Davis (U.S. Citizen & Card carrying Commie), he would not only be a U.S. Citizen but a “natural born” U.S. Citizen. (And a “natural born” Commie)
45 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:36:06 PM by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)


To: NoLibZone; Liz; AT7Saluki; writer33
After learning of the planned wedding to Dunham, Obama, Sr.’s father writes a long, angry letter to her parents saying he “didn’t approve of the marriage” and “didn’t want the Obama blood sullied by a white woman.”She was a "TYPICAL" white woman. (Hussein's words - not mine.)
Civility kinda went out the window a long time ago.
46 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:37:02 PM by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)


To: NoLibZone; LucyT; null and void
Major PING to this info.
47 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:44:15 PM by stockpirate (U-6 Total unemployed for January 2011 16.1 percent)


To: NoLibZone
“His British Citizenship At Birth”
You should stop posting about things you obviously know nothing about.
48 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:57:09 PM by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)


To: freebird5850
“(Of course Obama loves his country...it’s just that Sarah Palin loves mine!)”
lol. Nice tagline!
49 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:57:51 PM by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)


To: centurion316
"You are quite right about that, but if Obama had taken some positive action to confirm that new citizenship after attaining his majority, such as applying for a passport, then a taint might have fallen over his citizenship." I'm unclear why there would be a question of a "new citizenship" - not trying to be difficult, just to understand what "new" means in this context?
50 posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:58:18 PM by M. Dodge Thomas

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