SHTFplan Editor’s Note: The following interview is both informative and terrifying, and essential reading for anyone concerned about what comes next.
What the DHS Insider suggests is about to happen is exactly what many
of us fear – a police state takeover of America, with urban centers to
be pacified first, all outspoken critics of the government to be
silenced, and travel restrictions across the United States to come
shortly thereafter.
The dollar collapse, riots, the mobilization of domestic law
enforcement, gun control, rationing of food and gas, suspension of the
U.S. Constitution and a complete lock-down of America as we know it.
According to the report, sinister forces within the U.S. government
operating at the highest levels of our country’s political, financial,
intelligence and military hierarchies have set into motion a
series of events that will leave the populace so desperate for
government intervention that they’ll willingly surrender their liberty
for the perceived security of a militarized police state.
Interviewer
Doug Hagmann
cites an anonymous source operating deep inside the Department of
Homeland Security, which may leave many skeptical of the accuracy of the
reports. But the fact is, were such events being planned behind the
scenes we certainly wouldn’t be given official mainstream warning. If
real, the report is a game changer, and it makes sense that
anyone privy to such information would want to keep their identity
hidden. Whistle blowers in America who expose the corruption of
officials in our government are treated not as patriots, but as
traitors, and are often branded as psychos or terrorists.
What’s most alarming is the speed at which these events may play out.
The latest from “DHS Insider”
(This is the complete interview from The Hagmann and Hagmann Report)
Introduction
23 December 2012: After a lengthy, self-imposed
informational black-out, my high-level DHS contact known as “Rosebud”
emerged with new, non-public information about plans being discussed and
prepared for implementation by the Department of Homeland Security
(DHS) in the near future. It is important to note that this black-out
was directly related to the aggressive federal initiative of identifying
and prosecuting “leakers,” at least those leaks and leakers not
sanctioned by the executive office – the latter of which there are many.
Due to those circumstances, my source exercised an abundance of
caution to avoid compromising a valuable line of communication until he
had information he felt was significant enough to risk external
contact. The following information is the result of an in-person contact
between this author and “Rosebud” within the last 48 hours. With his
permission, the interview was digitally recorded and the relevant
portions of the contact are provided in a conversational format for
easier reading. The original recording was copied onto multiple discs
and are maintained in secure locations for historical and insurance
purposes.
Meeting
The following began after an exchange of pleasantries and other unrelated discussion:
DH: Do I have your permission to record this conversation?
RB: You do.
DH: I’ve received a lot of e-mail from people wondering where you went and why you’ve been so quiet.
RB: As I told you earlier, things are very dicey. Weird things began
to happen before the election and have continued since. Odd things, a
clampdown of sorts. I started looking and I found [REDACTED AT THE
REQUEST OF THIS SOURCE], and that shook me up. I’m not the only one,
though, that found a [REDACTED], so this means there’s surveillance of
people within DHS by DHS. So, that explains this cloak and dagger stuff
for this meeting.
DH: I understand. What about the others?
RB: They are handling it the same way.
DH: I’ve received many e-mails asking if you are the same person giving information to Ulsterman. Are you?
RB: No, but I think I know at least one of his insiders.
DH: Care to elaborate?
RB: Sorry, no.
DH: Do you trust him or her. I mean, the Ulsterman source?
RB: Yes.
DH: Okay, so last August, you said things were “going hot.” I
printed what you said, and things did not seem to happen as you said.
RB: You’d better recheck your notes and compare [them] with some of
the events leading up to the election. I think you’ll find that a full
blown campaign of deception took place to make certain Obama got back
into office. The polls, the media, and a few incidents that happened in
the two months before the election. I guess if people are looking for
some big event they can point to and say “aha” for verification, well
then I overestimated people’s ability to tell when they are being lied
to.
DH: What specific incidents are you referring to?
RB: Look at the threats to Obama. Start there. The accusations of
racism. Then look at the polls, and especially the judicial decisions
about voter ID laws. Bought and paid for, or where there was any
potential for problems, the judges got the message, loud and clear. Then
look at the voter fraud. And not a peep from the Republicans. Nothing.
His second term was a done deal in September. This was planned. Frankly,
the Obama team knew they had it sewn up long before election day.
Benghazi could have derailed them, but the fix was in there, so I never
saw anything on my end to suggest a ready-made solution had to be
implemented.
DH: What’s going on now?
RB: People better pay close attention over the next few months.
First, there won’t be any meaningful deal about the fiscal crisis. This
is planned, I mean, the lack of deal is planned. In fact, it’ necessary
to pave the way for what is in the short term agenda.
DH: Wait, you’re DHS – not some Wall Street insider.
RB: So you think they are separate agendas? That’s funny. The coming
collapse of the U.S. dollar is a done deal. It’s been in the works for
years – decades, and this is one of the most important cataclysmic
events that DHS is preparing for. I almost think that DHS was created
for that purpose alone, to fight Americans, not protect them, right here
in America. But that’s not the only reason. There’s the gun issue too.
DH: So, what are you seeing at DHS?
RB: We don’t have a lot of time, tonight – our meeting – as well as a
country. I mean I have heard – with my own ears – plans being made that
originate from the White House that involve the hierarchy of DHS. You
gotta know how DHS works at the highest of levels. It’s Jarrett and
Napolitano, with Jarrett organizing all of the plans and approaches.
She’s the one in charge, at least from my point of view, from what I am
seeing. Obama knows that’s going on and has say, but it seems that
Jarrett has the final say, not the other way around. It’s [screwed] up.
This really went into high gear since the election.
But it’s a train wreck at mid management, but is more effective at
the lower levels. A lot of police departments are being gifted with
federal funds with strings attached. That money is flowing out to
municipal police departments faster than it can be counted. They are
using this money to buy tanks, well, not real tanks, but you know what I
mean. DHS is turning the police into soldiers.
By the way, there has been a lot of communication recently between
Napolitano and Pistole [TSA head]. They are planning to use TSA agents
in tandem with local police for certain operations that are being
planned right now. This is so [deleted] important that you cannot even
begin to imagine. If you get nothing else out of this, please, please
make sure you tell people to watch the TSA and their increasing
involvement against the American public. They are the stooges who will
be the ones to carry out certain plans when the dollar collapses and the
gun confiscation begins.
DH: Whoa, wait a minute. You just said a mouthful. What’s the agenda here?
RB: Your intelligence insider – he knows that we are facing a planned
economic collapse. You wrote about this in your articles about
Benghazi, or at least that’s what I got out of the later articles. So
why the surprise?
DH: There’s a lot here. Let’s take it step by step if you don’t mind.
RB: Okay, but I’m not going to give it to you in baby steps. Big boy
steps. This is what I am hearing. Life for the average American is going
to change significantly, and not the change people expect. First, DHS
is preparing to work with police departments and the TSA to respond to
civil uprisings that will happen when there is a financial panic. And
there will be one, maybe as early as this spring, when the dollar won’t
get you a gumball. I’m not sure what the catalyst will be, but I’ve
heard rumblings about a derivatives crisis as well as an oil embargo. I
don’t know, that’s not my department. But something is going to happen
to collapse the dollar, which has been in the works since the 1990′s.
Now if it does not happen as soon as this, it’s because there are
people, real patriots, who are working to prevent this, so it’s a fluid
dynamic. But that doesn’t change the preparations.
And the preparations are these: DHS is prepositioning assets in
strategic areas near urban centers all across the
country. Storage depots. Armories. And even detainment facilities, known
as FEMA camps. FEMA does not even know that the facilities are
earmarked for detainment by executive orders, at least not in the
traditional sense they were intended. By the way, people drive by some
of these armories everyday without even giving them a second look.
Commercial and business real estate across the country are being bought
up or leased for storage purposes. Very low profile.
Anyway, I am hearing that the plan from on high is to let the chaos
play out for a while, making ordinary citizens beg for troops to be
deployed to restore order. but it’s all organized to make them appear as
good guys. That’s when the real head knocking will take place. We’re
talking travel restrictions, which should no be a problem because gas
will be rationed or unavailable. The TSA will be in charge of travel, or
at least be a big part of it. They will be commissioned, upgraded from
their current status.
They, I mean Jarrett and Obama as well as a few others in government,
are working to create a perfect storm too. This is being timed to
coincide with new gun laws.
DH: New federal gun laws?
RB: Yes. Count on the criminalization to possess just about every gun
you can think of. Not only restrictions, but actual criminalization of
possessing a banned firearm. I heard this directly from the highest of
my sources. Plans were made in the 90′s but were withheld. Now, it’s a
new day, a new time, and they are riding the wave of emotion from Sandy
Hook., which, by the way and as tragic as it was, well, it stinks to
high heaven. I mean there are many things wrong there, and first reports
are fast disappearing. The narrative is being changed. Look, there is
something wrong with Sandy Hook, but if you write it, you’ll be called a
kook or worse.
DH: Sure
RB: But Sandy Hook, there’s something very wrong there. But I am
hearing that won’t be the final straw. There will be another if they
think it’s necessary.
DH: Another shooting?
RB: Yes.
DH: That would mean they are at least complicit.
RB: Well, that’s one way of looking at it.
DH: Are they? Were they?
RB: Do your own research. Nothing I say, short of bringing you
photographs and documents will convince anyone, and even then, it’s like
[DELETED] in the wind.
DH: So…
RB: So what I’m telling you is that DHS, the TSA and certain, but not
all, law enforcement agencies are going to be elbow deep in riot
control in response to an economic incident. At the same time or close
to it, gun confiscation will start. It will start on a voluntary basis
using federal registration forms, then an amnesty, then the kicking-in
of doors start.
Before or at the same time, you know all the talk of lists, you know,
the red and blue lists that everyone made fun of? Well they exist,
although I don’t know about their colors. But there are lists of
political dissidents maintained by DHS. Names are coordinated with the
executive branch, but you know what? They did not start with Obama.
They’ve been around in one form or another for years. The difference
though is that today, they are much more organized. And I’ll tell you
that the vocal opponents of the politics of the global elite, the
bankers, and the opponents of anything standing in their way, well, they
are on the top of the list of people to be handled.
DH: Handled?
RB: As the situations worsen, some might be given a chance to stop
their vocal opposition. Some will, others won’t. I suppose they are on
different lists. Others won’t have that chance. By that time, though, it
will be chaos and people will be in full defensive mode. They will be
hungry, real hunger like we’ve never experienced before. They will use
our hunger as leverage. They will use medical care as leverage.
DH: Will this happen all at once?
RB: They hope to make it happen at the same time. Big cities first,
with sections being set apart from the rest of the country. Then the
rural areas. There are two different plans for geographical
considerations. But it will all come together.
DH: Wait, this sounds way, way over the top. Are you telling me… [Interrupts]
RB: [Over talk/Unintelligible] …know who was selected or elected
twice now. You know who his associates are. And you are saying this is
way over the top? Don’t forget what Ayers said – you talked to Larry
Grathwohl. This guy is a revolutionary. He does not want to transform
our country in the traditional sense. He will destroy it. And he’s not
working alone. He’s not working for himself, either. He has his
handlers. So don’t think this is going to be a walk in the park, with
some type of attempt to rescue the country. Cloward-Piven. Alinsky.
Marx. All rolled into one. And he won’t need the rest of his four years
to do it.
DH: I need you to be clear. Let’s go back again, I mean, to those who speak out about what’s happening.
RB: [Edit note: Obviously irritated] How much clearer do you want it?
The Second Amendment will be gone, along with the first, at least
practically or operationally. The Constitution will be gone, suspended,
at least in an operational sense. Maybe they won’t actually say that
they are suspending it, but will do it. Like saying the sky is purple
when it’s actually blue. How many people will look a the sky and say
yeah, it’s purple? They see what they want to see.
So the DHS, working with other law enforcement organizations,
especially the TSA as it stands right now, will oversee the confiscation
of assault weapons, which includes all semi-automatic weapons following
a period of so-called amnesty. It also includes shotguns that hold
multiple rounds, or have pistol grips. They will go after the high
capacity magazines, anything over, say 5 rounds.
They will also go after the ammunition, especially at the
manufacturer’s level. They will require a special license for certain
weapons, and make it impossible to own anything. More draconian than
England. This is a global thing too. Want to hunt? What gives you the
right to hunt
theiranimals? Sound strange? I hope so, but they
believe they own the animals. Do you understand now, how sick and
twisted this is? Their mentality?
The obvious intent is to disarm American citizens. They will say that
we’ll still be able to defend ourselves and go hunting, but even that
will be severely regulated. This is the part that they are still working
out, though. While the plans were made years ago, there is some
argument over the exact details. I know that Napalitano, even with her
support of the agenda, would like to see this take place outside of an
E.O. [Executive Order] in favor of legislative action and even with UN
involvement.
DH: But UN involvement would still require legislative approval.
RB: Yes, but your still thinking normal – in normal terms. Stop
thinking about a normal situation. The country is divided, which is
exactly where Obama wants us to be. We are as ideologically divided as
we were during the Civil War and that rift is growing every day. Add in a
crisis – and economic crisis – where ATM and EBT cards will stop
working. Where bank accounts will contain nothing but air. They are
anticipating a revolution
and a civil war rolled into one (emphasis added by this author).
Imagine when talk show hosts or Bloggers or some other malcontent
gets on the air or starts writing about the injustice of it all, and
about how Obama is the anti-Christ or something. They will outlaw such
talk or writing as inciting the situation – they will make it illegal by
saying that it is causing people to die. The Republicans will go along
with everything as it’s – we have – a one party system. Two parties is
an illusion. It’s all so surreal to talk about but you see where this is
headed, right?
DH: Well, what about the lists?
RB: Back to that again, okay. Why do you think the NSA has
surveillance of all communications? To identify and stop terrorism?
Okay, to be fair, that is part of it, but not the main reason. The
federal agencies have identified people who present a danger to them and
their agendas. I don’t know if they are color coded like you mentioned,
red blue purple or peach mango or whatever, but they exist. In fact,
each agency has their own. You know, why is it so [deleted] hard for
people to get their heads around the existence of lists with names of
people who pose a threat to their plans? The media made a big deal about
Nixon’s enemies list and everyone nodded and said yeah, that [deleted],
but today? They’ve been around for years and years.
DH: I think it’s because of the nature of the lists today. What do they plan to do with their enemies?
RB: Go back to what Ayers said when, in the late 60′s? 70′s? I
forget. Anyway, he was serious. But to some extent, the same thing that
happened before. They – the people on some of these lists – are under
surveillance, or at least some, and when necessary, some are approached
and made an offer. Others, well, they can be made to undergo certain
training. Let’s call it sensitivity training, except on a much different
level. Others, most that are the most visible and mainstream are safe
for the most part. And do you want to know why? It’s because they are in
the pockets of the very people we are talking about, but they might or
might not know it. Corporate sponsorship – follow the money. You know
the drill. You saw it happen before, with the birth certificate.
It’s people that are just under the national radar but are effective.
They have to worry. Those who have been publicly marginalized already
but continue to talk or write or post, they are in trouble. It’s people
who won’t sell out, who think that they can make a difference. Those are
the people who have to worry.
Think about recent deaths that everybody believes were natural or
suicides. Were they? People are too busy working their [butts] off to
put food on the table to give a damn about some guy somewhere who vapor
locks because of too many doughnuts and coffee and late nights. And it
seems plausible enough to happen. This time, when everything collapses,
do you think they will care if it is a bullet or a heart attack that
takes out the opposition? [Deleted] no.
DH: That’s disturbing. Do you… [interrupts]
RB: Think about the Oklahoma City bombing in ’95. Remember how
Clinton blamed that on talk radio, or at least in part. Take what
happened then and put it in context of today. Then multiply the
damnation by 100, and you will begin to understand where this is going.
People like Rush and Hannity have a narrow focus of political theater.
They’ll still be up and running during all of this to allow for the
appearance of normal. Stay within the script, comrade.
But as far as the others, they have certain plans. And these plans
are becoming more transparent. They are getting bolder. They are pushing
lies, and the bigger the lie, the easier it is to sell to the people.
They will even try to sell a sense of normalcy as things go absolutely
crazy and break down. It will be surreal. And some will believe it,
think that it’s only happening in certain places, and we can draw
everything back once the dust settles. But when it does, this place will
not be the same.
DH: Will there be resistance within the ranks of law
enforcement? You know, will some say they won’t go along with the plan,
like the Oath Keepers?
RB: Absolutely. But they will not only be outnumbered, but outgunned –
literally. The whole objective is to bring in outside forces to deal
with the civil unrest that will happen in America. And where does their
allegiance lie? Certainly not to Sheriff Bob. Or you or me.
During all of this, and you’ve got to remember that the dollar
collapse is a big part of this, our country is going to have to be
redone. I’ve seen – personally – a map of North America without borders.
Done this year. The number 2015 was written across the top, and I
believe that was meant as a year. Along with this map – in the same area
where this was – was another map showing the United States cut up into
sectors. I’m not talking about what people have seen on the internet,
but something entirely different. Zones. And a big star on the city of
Denver.
Sound like conspiracy stuff on the Internet? Yup. But maybe they were
right. It sure looks that way. It will read that way if you decide to
write about this. Good luck with that. Anyway, the country seemed to be
split into sectors, but not the kind shown on the internet. Different.
DH: What is the context of that?
RB: Across the bottom of this was written economic sectors. It looked
like a work in progress, so I can’t tell you any more than that. From
the context I think it has to do with the collapse of the dollar.
DH: Why would DHS have this? I mean, it seems almost contrived, doesn’t it?
RB: Not really, when you consider the bigger picture. But wait before
we go off into that part. I need to tell you about Obamacare, you know,
the new health care coming up. It plays a big part – a huge [deleted]
part in the immediate reshaping of things.
DH: How so?
RB: It creates a mechanism of centralized control over people. That’s
the intent of this monster of a bill, not affordable health care. And
it will be used to identify gun owners. Think your health records are
private? Have you been to the doctor lately? Asked about owning a gun?
Why do you think they ask, do you think they care about your safety? Say
yes to owning a gun and your information is shared with another agency,
and ultimately, you will be identified as a security risk. The records
will be matched with other agencies.
You think that they are simply relying on gun registration forms?
This is part of data collection that people don’t get. Oh, and don’t
even think about getting a script for some mood enhancement drug and
being able to own a gun.
Ayers and Dohrn are having the times of their lives seeing things
they’ve worked for all of their adult lives actually coming to pass. Oh,
before I forget, look at the recent White House visitor logs.
DH: Why? Where did that come from?
RB: Unless they are redacted, you will see the influence of Ayers.
Right now. The Weather Underground has been reborn. So has their agenda.
DH: Eugenics? Population control?
RB: Yup. And re-education camps. But trust me, you write about this,
you’ll be called a kook. It’s up to you, it’s your reputation, not mine.
And speaking about that, you do know that this crew is using the
internet to ruin people, right? They are paying people to infiltrate
discussion sites and forums to call people like you idiots. Show me the
proof they say. Why doesn’t you source come forward? If he knows so
much, why not go to Fox or the media? To them, if it’s not broadcast on
CNN, it’s not real. Well, they’ve got it backwards. Very little on the
news is real. The stock market, the economy, the last presidential
polls, very little is real.
But this crew is really internet savvy. They’ve got a lot of people
they pay to divert issues on forums, to mock people, to marginalize
them. They know what they’re doing. People think they’ll take sites down
– hack them. Why do that when they are more effective to infiltrate the
discussion? Think about the birth certificate, I mean the eligibility
problem of Obama. Perfect example.
DH: How soon do you see things taking place?
RB: They already are in motion. If you’re looking for a date I can’t
tell you. Remember, the objectives are the same, but plans, well, they
adapt. They exploit. Watch how this fiscal cliff thing plays out. This
is the run-up to the next beg economic event.
I can’t give you a date. I can tell you to watch things this spring.
Start with the inauguration and go from there. Watch the metals, when
they dip. It will be a good indication that things are about to happen. I
got that little tidbit from my friend at [REDACTED].
NOTE: At this point, my contact asked me to reserve further disclosures until after the inauguration.
George Washington takes the oath of office at Federal Hall in lower Manhattan, April 30, 1789.
