Double Agent "symbolic" of life: we arranged to meet with al-Zawahiri's
speech Dagestani police arrested him ... and a bribe of 40 thousand
dollars returned to Afghanistan
Speaking double agent «symbolic» in this episode «boredom» he felt
after the end of «jihad» Bosnian, and how he went to Afghanistan to
train at Camp «Abu kindergarten Syrian» in Jalalabad, then moved to
Azerbaijan, where he worked under the cover of the relief.
Reveals a «symbolic» role in the rescue of Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, who
was arrested in Dagestan as he tried to reach Chechnya, and says he paid
a bribe of $ 40 thousand for the Dagestani police that they want 100
thousand without knowing that the detainee has is al-Zawahiri.
Speaks «symbolic» in detail about the war in Chechnya and the role of
the commander of the Mujahideen there «speech» and the pursuit of Osama
bin Laden to open new fronts against the Russians.
> Mentioned that you lived with Sheikh Khalid Bin (Khalid Sheikh
Mohammed engineer attacks of September 11 / September 2001) period in
Bosnia. Is was fighting with you?
- Stayed with us three months there, we did not realize what his role, was close to the leaders of the Mujahideen Brigade.
It seems that his role was to identify the talents of the Mujahideen,
because he was leading from the leaders of the global jihad.
And his brother, James the son of Sheikh was also of the leaders of the
Mujahideen who were killed in Afghanistan in 1987 and his cousin was
Ramzi Yousef, who carried out the World Trade Center attack in New York
in 1993, where a truck bomb killed six people and injured nearly a
thousand. Not only Sheikh Khalid bin, many of the future leaders of al Qaeda have been with us in Bosnia.
> Secretary-General for «Hezbollah» Hassan Nasrallah said recently
that «Hezbollah» also participated in the fighting in Bosnia and
Herzegovina, do you remember that?
- This is not true. I spent about 15 months there I did not see any fighter Lebanese Shiite belongs to «Hezbollah» there.
> Can not be sent «Hezbollah» fighters before you go to Bosnia or after discharge from them?
- Not before and not after I came out I went, I did not hear from the
fighters there on the presence of guerrillas or Lebanese Shiites in
Bosnia. I drove out after the end of the war and the signing of the Dayton Agreement.
And the Secretariat of historical there were two IRGC (Iranian)
pursuant advisers to the Bosnian army and they were not with us forward
in military aid.
But the weapons that provided was corrupt and was the «RPG» who came
from Iran due to malfunction damaged fins, it launched shells to the
north and right and do not hit the target, but on the contrary it was
our place to attract the enemy to bomb us. And you can ask any fighter who fought in Bosnia about the corruption of those weapons. Even the shots were not bad off. Many young people have been killed because of the corruption of the weapon.
> How do you know that this is a corrupt Iranian arms?
- There were the writings of Persian and it was those weapons comes from the Bosnian army (which gets them from Iran).
> How was the fate of the remaining Arab mujahideen in Bosnia?
- Set up projects, restaurants, shops and Butcher married, and after
the death of Alija Izetbegovic raised their protection was withdrawn
nationalities and a number of them deported.
> How did you feel after you exit and return to your home country?
- I came back to my country and I stayed in it for about 15 days, during which I felt bored. Did not get used in my country. I felt strange in the national. I lived in Bosnia 15 months, and this experience changed me completely. I could see the daily killing and blood and tragedies and massacres. Life is completely different. How can I go back to a previous life normal and to study and play football, shopping and talking about cars and so on? I could not cope and return to my previous life. I felt completely empty, and that this life is empty of any meaning. Bosnia changed me and changed my identity. I felt that the previous life-trivial empty of any meaning and have no meaning or value. I felt a return to the national I came out of heaven and came down to earth. I felt that the people around me can not Fahmi. My old friends was telling me that you changed your eyes and you suggest in the forties. Become serious and bigger than my age. I was 17 years old, but I felt I was different and they bring the nation and the Muslim minorities and Islamic stomata. I feel that I have to help the Muslims and the fighting on their side.
> Talking here about «jihad». What is the real jihad has fulfilled the conditions?
- Jihad is the occupiers and invaders.
> Before we move on to talk about your experience in Afghanistan,
have you considered that Jihad colleagues of those who fought against
the Soviets there is Jihad Mostofi conditions?
- Yes, like the jihad against the Serbs, and the Palestinian jihad against Israel.
> What about the Afghans currently fighting against the Americans - Is Jihad Mostofi right conditions?
- Of the provisions of the Jihad also know that with the struggling. So I think that Bosnia Jihad Jihad was right because we were fighting under the command of the Bosnian army.
Our goal was to defend the lives of defenseless Muslims, at the same
time we did not separate from the battalion because the Bosnian army
battalion was among the Mujahideen Corps seventh Muslim. There was a pyramid leading up to the President of the Republic.
We were not independent was not our goal to change the lifestyle of the
Bosnians, there was no imposition of the veil, and there was no break
down of places selling alcohol or penalties for violations of legitimacy
because they were considered the main job to defend the Muslims only. They are advocates, not judges and executioners. The issue is not only that of struggling against, but is struggling with who?
Jihad has a right to two conditions: first, the enemy of jihad gas is
clear and explicit, and second, within the system of the legitimacy of
jihad by consensus by the people of the country and its scholars.
There must be a consensus goal is clear and explicit, such as fighting
against Qassam English and fight the Afghan people against the Soviets. Do not just look at who is your enemy, but look at who they are comrades in arms. If comrades in arms of the followers of the radical Takfirism This is not jihad. Are we behead civilians because they only offenders to the opinions of the Mujahideen? This negates the principle of Jihad.
Jihad guys and weapons must be intellectually enlightened young away
from extremism and they have a sense of non-human extremism and impose a
strict interpretation of Sharia law.
Because if they did so to go against his advice and says to His
Messenger (peace be upon him) in Surah Al-Imran (though I was rough and
the heart to shake around you). Not one wonders why people adjourned for «Al-Qaeda» in Iraq?
The answer is because they are starting to cut off the fingers of
smoking in the province of Anbar, Mosul, and this was ordered by God not
in the Quran or Sunnah.
> What did you do after you return to your home country?
- I lived in my two weeks, I was bored and I started thinking about my
options in the future, whether to go back to the classroom? Or work?
Our inability I and comrades in arms of the Mujahideen of Bosnia to
cope in our society led us to rally around each other and think about
what we are doing. There have been suggestions to search for another place for the resumption of the jihad. We were looking for «a new market for the Commission», as we call it at the time. «Market paradise in Bosnia» closed, is there a new market? «Market paradise in Chechnya» also closed.
I wanted to go there, but the Russians closed the border in the form of
an arbitrator, and put forty thousand troops on the border, and that
the son of the commander of the Mujahideen speech there was not any
Mujahid accept only if it has a high level of training. I spoke with a young and expressed my desire to go to Afghanistan. Was to provide me with a phone number «Abu Saeed Kurdish» official added in Peshawar to join «Camp Abu kindergarten Syrian». I got a visa to Pakistan and then traveled to Afghanistan where he was «Abu Saeed Kurdish» official added waiting for me. Not vice-principal in charge of «Palestinian Abu Zubaydah» present in the additive when I got it.
The official added the job at that time was greeted at the airport in
Peshawar, the Mujahideen and the provision of housing and the interview
was friendly and get to know the experience of struggling, purpose and
quality of training who wishes received and how long it will stay in
Afghanistan, where the jihadist previous experience.
Because of experiences to identify jihadist and acquaintance and
communication with fellow Mujahideen facilitate the official added
recognition to the personal newcomer and relieve him from probation to
see how religious commitment and knowledge of the extent to which that
person poses a threat to the organization and the jihadist camps. I had my previous jihad in Bosnia and Kurdish to know my colleagues who fought with me in Bosnia, which facilitated me things.
At that time I was not a member of al-Qaeda, but I was only a member of
what I call «jihadist movement» because Osama bin Laden was at that
time in Sudan, and that was in the beginning of 1996.
And by virtue of my experience jihadist shortened duration of my stay
in the additive, and then moved through the gate between Pakistan and of
Afghanistan to Camp Abu kindergarten in the village of «Dorenta» near
the city of Jalalabad.
There are courses that were surveyed by offering courses such as
mortars, tanks and Grad rockets, maps, ambushes and fighting and cut
supply lines and other and I stayed there for four months from January
(January) to April of the year 1996.
> How was camp in Afghanistan during that period?
- In the region of Jalalabad, there were two camps, the first camp of
the Islamic Party of Afghanistan's Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the leader of
the party and it was called Camp «Abu kindergarten Syrian» who was
followed for young Arabs who were fighting with Hekmatyar. The Islamic Party of about 10 thousand fighters, including nearly fifty Arab fighters.
Hekmatyar was at war with the President of Afghanistan Burhanuddin
Rabbani and his defense minister, Ahmed Shah Massoud for control of
Kabul. Internal strife and civil war between the three totally destroyed Kabul. In spite of the small number of Arab fighters in that period, but they were divided among themselves into two camps.
Abu kindergarten Syrian camp was located on a hill beside the dam water
to Jalalabad and so named on the name of a Syrian Arab Mujahideen who
rejected the idea of Osama bin Laden that there is a rift between the
Mujahideen because of the conflict between Afghan politicians. Abu kindergarten Syrian rejected this idea, and it was believed that Hekmatyar on the right and he must stand by his side.
The Abu kindergarten asks young Arabs continue to fight alongside
Hekmatyar because it was believed that the Islamic state will assess
Hekmatyar and Rabbani and Massoud Manafaqan. Abu kindergarten Syrian was killed in 1993 in the battles between the forces of the Islamic Party and the Afghan government. I joined the team Abu Syrian kindergarten.
Second camp in Jalalabad was not far more than a hundred meters from
the camp of Abu kindergarten and was called Camp Abu Maaz Aljosta, a
Jordanian of Palestinian origin, he was famous owner of the largest
Sharp in Afghanistan, which also killed in late 1994 in the battles as
well. In the form of a camp in Abu kindergarten in the area Dorenta was larger and better funded.
> Who would have funded those camps?
- The funding comes from a Syrian and was named «Abu Riad Syrian», in
addition to funding from the jihadist community in America. Funding was between 10 to 15 thousand dollars a month, a large sum at that time in Afghanistan. The donations were also come from employees of the camp.
Each member of the former camp was while returning to his homeland
sends aid and aid was up to about 50 thousand dollars a month.
Camp commander at that time was Mohammed Noor Algerian Add to Moroccan
Salah al-Din, who was one of the princes of the camp and was a Moroccan
holds U.S. citizenship.
The camp, Abu Maaz Aljosta was less funding, but in terms of armament
they have tanks and armored vehicles of the Afghan army Gnmoha
government.
I was in the camp of Abu kindergarten and despite the fact that both
camps were were fighting under the banner of the Islamic party unified,
however, their inability to agree on a unified command for them to
split. There were two things unite the two camps, namely that they needed each other.
When Young was Abu kindergarten need to be trained on the T-62 tank and
armored «BMB» Russian were going to Camp Abu Maaz Aljosta to train
under the leadership of Abu Muhjin Algerian who was leading the camp.
When he wants young people to receive lessons Abu Maaz legitimacy they
went up to Camp Abu kindergarten to take advantage and listen to
lectures Abu Abdullah Muhajir, an Egyptian sheikh important.
Go to Chechnya
One of the leaders at that time there is a Moroccan Salah al-Din View
Go to Chechnya, and has already traveled in April 1996 from Karachi to
Baku in Azerbaijan to move then to the territory of Chechnya, Dagestan
through. Azerbaijan was at the time a failed state in every sense of the word.
There was a person named «Abu Anas Tunisian» waiting for me, but
because of the closure of the road to Chechnya offered me to join them
in the office of Al-Haramain Foundation, especially because I I possess
the expertise of administrative, regulatory, and the Al-Haramain charity
at the time a residential villas (in Baku).
And by chance found there three comrades in arms from Bosnia someone
from Kuwait and the other is a Saudi named «Abu martyr east» from Dammam
was killed in the U.S. bombing of the camp «Ansar al-Islam» in
Kurdistan in March 2003 which at the beginning of the U.S. invasion of
Iraq, and this camp was based Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who has repeatedly
met him in Afghanistan.
> What was the mission of the Office of the Two Holy?
- Our mission in the Office of the Al-Haramain was meet the demands of the mujahideen fighters in Chechnya.
> What is the quality of these applications?
- They come to us and requests for written communication devices and
equipment, food and blankets, batteries, oil lanterns, books and
stationery, and copies of the Koran and money. We send hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations of AHF. The director of the office called the Jordanian Sheikh Abu Hamza al-Shaykh al-Albani of students. Was led by Chechen fighters speech Eptaon arms of the Russian army.
At that time, the Russian soldier salary $ 20 a month but does not
possess the Russian government under the leadership of Boris Yeltsin,
the cash to pay the salaries of the soldiers were receiving their salary
from these crops, broccoli, cabbage, were selling weapons to Muslim
fighters to get the money.
Russia was bankrupt Yeltsin days, and thousands of Russian soldiers
killed in the war because of their lack of military training, and many
have been surrendered to the Chechen fighters for food. We were running operations edit videos and news that comes from the speech. It was a golden age for them, and there were humane in dealing with prisoners.
Because of their humanity and the good treatment of prisoners of the
Russians safest around 20 Russian soldiers, and the speech itself
distributes clothing to the prisoners.
We arrange applications and equip trucks crossing the Dagestani
territory to the territory of Chechnya to the lack of a common border
between Azerbaijan and Chechnya, therefore, must be truckers
Dagustanyen. During that time I learned that you speak Russian fluently. Demand was requested by President Hu's speech «mayonnaise». He loves mayonnaise and asks in large quantities.
> Why mayonnaise in particular?
- Speech was thought to be filled with mayonnaise proteins that help
the Mujahideen to fight and survive and endure the cold and rugged
mountains. Therefore, it was mujahideen in Chechnya mix mayonnaise with rice and other food.
> How was your relationship with the government of Azerbaijan?
- Was good and there were photographs, one security and the other
political Azorona in the Holy Office and in the circumstances we were
Nslmanma closed between 30 to 40 thousand dollars a month in order to
Agdha party completely from our operations. Political official was received forty thousand dollars and the security official 30 thousand dollars a month.
(For information only)
> Who are these two men?
- Was a political official (....) t. C.
And was considered a very important figure in the government, a friend
of director of intelligence in Azerbaijan was also received 30 000
dollars. Azerbaijani intelligence was known to us and they themselves come to the office to collect the money. We push them from the Al-Haramain Foundation donations, which closed in 2004, accusing it of financing terrorism.
> How do you just fund purchases and requests for Chechen fighters
and where you are available to supply materials that you send to them?
- Turkey and the domestic market and Europe.
> Is it possible that Western intelligence services and the Russian did not Tlhzkm?
- No, the «KGB» was in transition and chaos.
> How was the relationship with al-Qaeda fighters, Chechnya and speech?
- Go by bin Laden to Sudan visited us Ayman al-Zawahiri in Azerbaijan at the end of the month from 6 in 1996. Zawahri was willing to go into Chechnya. This was the first time I met them Bazawahri, and frankly not impressed by his personality, he was arrogant.
By virtue of its importance and position in the «Al-Qaeda» and Egyptian
Islamic Jihad have arranged the meeting with his speech. Speech was not keen to meet him, never.
There was a severe allergy among the Mujahideen Egyptians and Saudis
Mujahideen, were not there any affection between the two parties,
especially toward the jihadists Cairo or «jihadists Imbaba» as we call
them.
During a visit to Azerbaijan Zawahiri we have coordinated with the
Dagestani young man who was driving our trucks and we gave him $ 10
thousand dollars to bribe the soldiers on the border, but while trying
to cross the border Zawahiri was arrested and refused police official
taking a bribe.
> Do you know the jailers that he was al-Zawahiri?
- No, no one knows, and we tried not to give him great importance to
hide his position because they would ask if they knew its importance
largest bribe. After negotiations with the police station Dagestani paid 40 000 dollars instead of 100 thousand dollars for his release. Until we were able to release al-Zawahiri spent about seven weeks in prison Dagestan. During that period, isolated from the world, during which he did not know that Osama bin Laden out of Sudan. After his release he went to Afghanistan and joined bin Laden there.
During the period of incarceration strengthened relationship Zawahiri
Russian mafia and we were told that he was able to buy his relations
across the three Russian nuclear bombs were transferred to Afghanistan. (Talk about another episode in the story of the allegations in relation to «nuclear bombs Qaeda»).
> Do you support bin Laden's second war in Chechnya?
- Yes, and there was someone from the followers of bin Laden named Sayf
al-Din al-Ghamdi the task of coordination between the «Al-Qaeda» and
speech.
Chechnya's first war lasted from between 1994 to 1996 and ended with
the signing of Chechen President timer Zlam Khan Yandarbiyev peace
treaty with Russian President Boris Yeltsin, under which enjoys autonomy
Chechnya is independent within the Russian Federation. After the elections were held and won by Aslan Maskhadov.
Settled speech in Chechnya and the form of cooperation with Shamil
Basayev legitimate bodies and Astqtaboa Dagestani youth and trained them
and sent them to fight Russian soldiers in Dagestan.
Began provoking the Russians, despite the peace agreement that provides
for the use of not allowing the territory of Chechnya as a base for
military operations against the Russians.
Dagestanis harassment coming from Chechnya, the Russians paid to do a
military campaign strong security and fighting took place between the
two parties and when he was defeated Aldagustaon they withdraw to the
territory of Chechnya, but the Russians did not Itbauhm for fear of a
second Chechnya.
At the end of 1997 got a big battle where he entered the speech and
participate in collaboration with the mujahideen to Dagestan and went to
a Russian base and blew up about 60 tanks, and fought pitched battles
between the two sides killed about 100 Russian soldiers.
To avenge the Russians attacked five villages in Dagestan, a Muslim,
which was outside the scope of the federal government of Russia.
Then spread operations and assassinations of police and collaborators
with the Russians and the number of Chechen fighters in Dagestan,
however, rejected the Russians to intervene, and they were pushing on
the Shamil Basayev to prevent Chechen fighters from attacking the
Russians, already ordered Shamil Basayev fighters not to carry out any
other military activities.
Here began the support bin Laden's speech because he was planning to
open a front against the Russians in the north of Afghanistan and
Tajikistan to fill the Russians in the north.
He wants to open a front in Uzbekistan, and it was felt that the
Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan should be expanded to include Tajikistan,
Uzbekistan and other Therefore Hamza al-Ghamdi sent there to discuss
the possibility open fronts there.
In
contrast, Farouk Mohammed Taher Taher Jean, head of the Islamic
Movement of Uzbekistan, sends its youth for training in Afghanistan. In
1999 arrived (Vladimir) Putin to the Russian prime minister and then
got a number of bombings in Russian cities targeted buildings inhabited
by Russian soldiers and their families, and subsequently outfitted his
army to attack Putin Chechen fighters and start a war against them. In
that period, spread theories in the Western press says Putin is that
the processes in order to find a compelling reason to return to
Chechnya. And their information was based on information a dissident Russian spy. 's.Who died a mysterious disease, and everyone Believe it seems that information. The war lasted five months to get to Grozny, and this all happened after I started my work in intelligence. At
the end of 1999 - after the beginning of the second Chechen war four
months - I went to the house of Abu Qatada in London, told me: «good
you're here because we will connect Abu Saeed Kurdish demands to see the
Mujahideen in Chechnya». The Abu Said Kurdi has moved from Pakistan to Tbilisi in Georgia in 1998 to support the efforts of the mujahideen in Chechnya. We were five people in the house «Abu Qatada». During
the telephone conversation asked Abu Said Are you the impact that Putin
is chosen from the time of the confrontation by virtue of it carried
out the bombings and Athmkm it? Said Abu Saeed Abu Qatada: Who told you that Putin had carried out the bombings? We planned and carried out the process ». He
said Abu Saeed Kurdish: «Takibna military combat units that had
attacked Muslim villages in Dagestan late 1997 Antqmana them, our plans
for that process throughout the year and a half after Takibna units on
the borders of Chechnya». Of the process is carried out and his speech and with the approval of Shamil Basayev and his group! Imagine destroyed the whole of the Republic in order to take revenge! But the science of Aslan Maskhadov was not aware of the process.
> What was the reaction of Abu Qatada that information?
- Said: You are knowledgeable Bmarkim.
> Do you have brought this information to the operators you?
- Yes brought the information to the device and asked me to re-every word uttered by Abu Said Kurdi. And
then they said we made a serious mistake because we raised
recommendations to the political leadership says that Putin is
masterminded the attack.
> What do you think: Is the jihad in Chechnya terrorism?
- I think in the beginning it was not terrorism, I mean the first war in Chechnya, but things are different in the second war. In
the first war, which lasted from 1994 to 1996 Chechen Republic declared
independence and ravaged by the Russians and there was a full consensus
on fighting the invaders. Thus, conditions are achieved
which we talked we talked to them in the jihad in Bosnia, two civil
Mujahideen and check consensus on fighting. President Dudayev was killed guided missile launched by a Russian fighter-bombers. Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev was also killed. The two leaders enjoy credibility and popularity. Aslan
Maskhadov and the third president of the Republic of Chechnya, one of
the biggest leaders of Chechen fighters was elected by his people. This achieves consensus. On
the other hand I can not launch the name of Jihad on the second Chechen
war, which began in 1999, and continuing to now, because there are
fighters have committed egregious errors, most notably that they
provoked the Russians.
> How much stayed in Azerbaijan and why she left?
- I stayed four months, during which I felt bored.
I felt I was a bureaucrat, but I learned many things on top of
important administrative jihadist organizations, and cover the work of
jihad relief, but boredom and bureaucracy Dfana to exit and return to
Afghanistan.
