Many
prophecies concerning that area of the world have recently been
fulfilled. For example, the Bible prophesized that in the end times the
Jews will be re-gathered from the four corners of the world — an amazing
development that occurred in the 20th century and which continues
today. The Bible also prophesized that as the results of that
regathering, the state of Israel would be reestablished — a momentous
event that occurred on May 14, 1948. Jesus himself prophesized that one
day the city of Jerusalem would be reoccupied by the Jews, and that
event took place on June 7, 1967. Finally, the biblical prophets stated
that once the nation of Israel was reestablished all the world would
come together against it over the issue of who would control Jerusalem.
And that is exactly what is happening today.
So,
what's next? Most believe that it will be an invasion of Israel lead by
Russia accompanied by a number of Muslim nations. But, Bill Salus, the
author of Isralestine,
believes otherwise. He thinks the next great prophetic event in the
Middle East will be a war between Israel and all the Arab nations that
share a common border with it. Where does he get that idea? Who is going
to win that war? And what will be the consequences? Bill has been kind
enough to be interviewed and answer these questions.
Q) Ezekiel 38 and 39 speaks of a great invasion of Israel in the end times. Most people believe this is going to be lead by Russia together with a lot of Muslim nations. And there are some problems with this, because most Bible prophecy scholars until you came on the scene believed that this would be the next major prophetic event. But, the problem is that in Ezekiel 38 and 39 it says over and over that Israel would be living securely. For example, in chapter 38 and in verse 11, "they will be living without walls," and in verse 14, "they will be living securely." And that is not the situation in Israel today. And yet people have said, well it is just a relative thing and they are relatively living securely, but they are not. So how could this be the next event when that condition has not been met?
A) With
all the elbow rubbing and muscle flexing that Russia is doing these
days, it does appear as though this would be the next prophecy that
would be fulfilled. I did an article called: "Psalm 83 Verses Ezekiel
38: Which is the Next Middle East News Headline." In that article I
discussed six to seven reasons as to why Israel is not in that condition
yet for Russia to invade. They are now dwelling securely. I have a
chapter in the book called "Israel Dwelling Securely," and the "Yisreal
Yasbab Betach." They are not dwelling securely. They had 4,000 rockets
logged at them from Hezbollah and so forth in the summer of 2000.
And,
they are not dwelling without walls, which is another condition they
have to be in. They have a 403 mile wall that at some point they have
almost finished completing. At some points it is 20 feet high, all to
keep the Palestinian terrorist element out of Israel proper.
They are not dwelling in the center of the land. This is the new one I discovered. It says in Ezekiel 38 that Israel is "in the midst of the land" when Russia comes against them. And the Hebrew word is tabbuwr.
And we have to wonder what (and that means "center" in the language)
portion of land was he really talking about. Was he talking about that
portion of land allotted to the Jewish State in 1947 with UN Resolution
181 of the Partition Plan, or was he perhaps talking about the land
allotted to the Jewish people in Genesis 15:18
when God promised Abraham that he would give Him land from the river of
Egypt to the Euphrates River, which is of course through Syria and
Iraq, which would put the center of that land in Jordan. And, as I get
into the book and hopefully discuss some of this stuff, I talk about how
Israel will annex land and will find themselves in possession of
Jordan.
They are not dwelling securely. They are
not one of the wealthiest nations in the world, nor acquired exceedingly
great plunder that Russia also comes after. We are given a hint as to
the motive of Russia and the consortia of Russian alliance that comes
against Israel. They are coming for exceedingly great plunder. Some
suspect that since Israel is drilling for oils these days with Zion Oil
that they will come into a new found wealth of oil under their own soil.
And they might. And there a lot of Zion Oil, prophetic oils out there.
They tie in connecting passages of the Old Testament where they believe
that it is foretold that Israel will find oil. However, I don't think it
will be limited to that. I believe that it will be the exploitation of
their resources, as Israel expands and conquers over Psalm 83 Arab
nations.
Q) Ezekiel 38 and 39 doesn't mention any of the Arab nations that have a common border as being part of the invasion. Why aren't they there? How how does Psalm 83 answer this question?
A) It is intriguing that
Israel's most observable opponents over the last 60 years since the
restoration of the nation are not enlisted in the Ezekiel 38 nine member
consortia of nations. This has puzzled the scholar alot recently. These
are the very nations that border Israel through which the Russian
invasion would be trespassing into to get into Israel to invade. So, why
are they now listed? And, of course, what we are referring to are
Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and what has evolved out of
those entities are Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinians, and other terrorist
entities could be included in that list.
Three-thousand
years ago, oddly enough, a prophecy that has not found its final
fulfillment — Psalm 83 — issued by Asaph the Seer, enlist all of these
specific populations that we are talking about. There are ten of them in
total. In my book I have gone through and traced who they are because
when Asaph wrote this prophecy he was speaking in vernacular of his
time. He was talking about the Edomites and Philistians and Tyrians from
Tyre. Who could he have been talking about? It turns out he appears to
have been talking about the Palestinian refugees — the Hamas, the
Hezbollah. He talks about Assyria which would encompass Syria and part
of Northern Iraq. He talks about the Hagarines which Dr. Arnold
Fruchtenbaum and myself subscribe to being Hagar the matriarch of Egypt.
She mothered Ishmael for Abraham, so we look at them as the Egyptians.
Ismaelites, we look at them as the Saudi Arabians. Thoughout the book I
weave in these connections of who these people are through the research I
have done. And they are absent from the Ezekiel 38 invasion.
So,
I was intrigued by Psalm 83 and, of course, the theme of the book is
Psalm 83, and I talk about how the Psalm talks about these ten
populations coming together with one consent in an attempt to destroy
the nation of Israel, that "the name Israel would be remembered no more."
So I look at that, as and most scholars agree, has not been fulfilled
yet. So I look at that as a forthcoming event in light of the way we see
the stage setting over in the Middle East presently. It answers the
questions, "Why aren't those nations included in Ezekiel 38 and 39?"
And then, I get into how God deals with that battle through the "exceedingly great army" of Ezekiel 37:10,
which I believe the Israeli Defense Forces will fulfill that prophecy.
So they are not listed in Ezekiel 38 and 39, but they are listed in
Psalm 83, and so I make a distinction between the two: the Israeli
Defense Forces and the nations of Psalm 83 which I call the "inner
circle."
Q) Psalm 83 is a war that is going to be fought before the war in Ezekiel 38 and 39? And, it will be a war in which Israel will defeat all of these Arab nations that have a common border with it?
A) Yes. Israel
will expand into that territory, and therefore that is the reason they
are not mentioned in the Russian invasion. This is my hypotheses.
That
solves the problem, too, of Israel having peace, and it also solves the
problem of Israel moving into the center of the land, "midst of the
land." It also solves the problem of them being exceedingly wealthy
because they will be able to exploit their resources. I believe that it
will be a safer Israel. More alilyah will come forward. More
Jews will come into Israel. They will exploit the resources and expand
the territory. And they will become that ripe carrot on the string that
Russian and Iran will lick their chops to come after for that
exceedingly great plunder.
Q) It never says in the Psalm who wins this war, so how do you know the Israelis win this war?
A)
Well, there are several reasons for that. The very basic starting one
theologically is that God promised Abraham he would have descendants
forever and those would be the Jewish people. What we are talking about
is probably nothing less or nothing short of a genocidal attempt against
the Jewish people by the Arab Nations that we talked about — those ten
populations. God is a promise keeper, and He will not allow the Jewish
people to be destroyed. Hitler was unsuccessful and, of course, there
was a litany of attempts.
In fact, in Amos he
says, I will put you in that land and you will never be rooted up again.
If God keeps his promise to Israel, which we know he will, then the
Jews will win. What connected this for me is Ezekiel 37:10.
Many people, Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum and myself included, believe that
Ezekiel was transported in Ezekiel 37 some 2,600 years ago into the
1940's where he saw the vision of the Valley of Dry Bones. And this
represented the Jewish people in the Diaspora in a devastating
grave/holocaust condition. Then God even asks Ezekiel "can these bones live?" Ezekiel says, "God you know."
What a profound question that turns out to be because if they don't
survive the very thing we are talking about God will have broken His
promise to Abraham.
Q) About the time that you were getting this insight from the Lord, wasn't something discovered in Ireland?
A)
Yes, I believe it was July of 2006 an engineer was digging up some
Irish bog soil and he found under the soil almost unblemished a
parchment opened up specifically to Psalm 83.
Q) Traditionally, Bible prophecy teachers have said that peace would come to Israel only when the Antichrist made a covenant with them that would guarantee their security. Now you are saying the Israelis are going to defeat all of their Arab neighbors around them, occupy their territory, have peace and become a world superpower. And, they don't need an Antichrist to guarantee their peace. So what is the Antichrist's coming all about?
A) Exactly! The traditional
viewpoint that has been taught for the last 60 years has come from the
limited lenses of a lesser Israel, in my estimation. Ehud Olmert said in
September 14 that the notion of a greater Israel has expired and then
on the 19th, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the idea of the lesser Israel is
about to be expired. I am paraphrasing his verbiage.
But
the way I look at it, I look through the lenses of a greater Israel.
Israel is going to expand. They are going to come out of this little
9,000 square box that they were allotted with UN resolution of 1947 —
the Partition Plan. As a result of the Psalm 83 war, they are going to
become an exceedingly great army. They are going to posses not only
their arsenal, but they will have the opportunity to posses some Arab
arsenal as well. They will be very powerful.
I
then say like a Goliath shadow coming in behind then comes Ezekiel 38
and 39. When Russia comes after Psalm 83, these nations and in the
process God exhibits His power and He defeats that invasion. The purpose
of the Israeli Defense Forces is only to deal with Psalm 83. They are
not even necessary in Ezekiel 38 and 39 apart from perhaps burying the
dead and burning some weapons and things like that in the aftermath. God
destroys them, so what we have, and I put these events
Pre-tribulational, I put the Antichrist coming into the scene in the
aftermath of both of these power genocidal attempts against the Jewish
people. So we have to be looking at this when we try to understand the
contents of the Antichrist pact with Israel.
We
have to be looking through the lenses of a greater Israel in my
estimation. The Israeli Defense Forces have exhibited their might,
achieved the title and fulfilled prophecy being the great army. God will
have accomplished His purposes which say the Jewish people will
recognize He is God and the nations of the world will recognize that He
is God. And so that is the stage when the Antichrist comes on the scene
in light of the fact of these two facts could precurse the Tribulation
period.
Isaiah 28 says that this Daniel 9:27
covenant becomes a covenant with death — an agreement with Sheol — and
it is a picture if you read Isaiah 28 of the Jewish people in a very
empowered condition. They are intoxicated with their empowerment all the
way from Ephraim on through to the priests, prophets, even the people
that fight back at the gate. I presume that would be the exceedingly
great army. They are all intoxicated with this power. So it says that
when they sign this covenant in Isaiah 28:15 and 18, they are expecting that an overflowing scourge that will be coming and that they will escape that scourge.
So
we have to ask what is this overflowing scourge that they could be
referring to? Could it be the 144,000 witnesses that have been running
around talking about the Lord's coming? Revelation judgments could be
forthcoming. Could it be the gentile nations of the world are going to
war and Israel is concerned about that? We have already talked about
Psalm 83 occurring and Ezekiel 38 occurring. I don't necessarily see
another war apart from the Armageddon campaign after that, although
there may be some. Could that be the scourge they are worried about and
they want peace from that? The traditional viewpoint has been that it is
a peace between the Arabs and the Jews, or a protection for Israel from
the world in general. But, I look at it in a different way. Perhaps it a
protection from the world of an empowered Israel on some level. So
then, it goes on to say in Isaiah 28:18 that this covenant will be annulled and that this scourge will pass through.
Now
we do also know that in the Armageddon campaign the Antichrist is going
to come forward and he is going to try to destroy the Jews. In Zechariah 13:8
it talks about two-thirds of them being cut off and being destroyed. So
this could be the scourge as well. Their thinking by signing some
covenant with this individual that some overflowing scourge is not going
to come their way. And, of course, God says that is going to annulled,
and it does say in Isaiah 28 verse 22 a little further down that God is
determined an end for the whole world. So it could very well be the Day
of the Lord — the Day of Jacob's trouble — things along those lines. I
don't know if they feel they can escape that, and again I am
conjecturing. I think that it is a milestone to consider the possibility
that it is not a peace pact between the Palestinians and the Israelis,
but it is something much bigger and much broader.
Thank you, Bill, for sharing this new prophetic insight and explaining it to us!
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